Boomer54

22 minutes ago, Mossypossy said:

Decided to SORN Lexus from Sept to at least April next year, maybe even until August.

Then the love affair can begin again. Lexus just doesn't fit in travel plans until Sept 2025. 

Promise to take it on a big Autumn jolly then.

Coincidences. I am going to Sorn mine Sep to Feb. Basically going to get it up, wheels off and have a dig around brakes. Function well, but got a squeal after standing that I think I can get rid if. Also going to fit my camera myself as tired of others being not interested. Couple of other things I fancy doing on body detailing. Got my eye on a cheap and cheerful pop up marquee that I can work under on a as and when basis.

Use the XK in that period as I have only out 600 miles on it since March.

59 minutes ago, Malc1 said:

AGE. UK.   Petition

433,104.  Petition signatures now 

 

Malc 

10% more OAPs to die of cold then courtesy of OFGEM cap increase …….. and Miliband  👏👏👏this winter 

Milliband is leaving politics. ITV have just announced a new Saturday night reality show. " Freezing with Milly". Contestants are encouraged to burn the contents of their home to stay alive this winter. Any survivors come 1st March receive a free 7 day holiday in Antartica. Cold drinks and as much Ice Cream as you can eat are all inclusive.

12 hours ago, Linas.P said:

I think it is simpler than that - if restriction applies ONLY to foreign goods, then this is protectionism. If restriction applies to everyone, including local goods, then it is not protectionism.

 In conclusion, in summarising this issue it is clear.......

2 hours ago, Linas.P said:

I kind of expected this answer, however I think we are on different sides of the fence here - I support their rationale for doing it, reduction in foreign product is just side effect for me. 

That said I would be hard to argue that big tech should not pay their fair share, or that products that meet and exceed same high standards would not be allowed into France. So I just can't see how this is "protectionism" in it's literal sense. For example US had protectionist quotas on Japanese imported cars. They were not worse than amurican cars (in fact they were better), but they were restricted to quotas to protect amurican car makers (which actually ended-up destroying them) - this is protectionism. Just saying that cars, or any product has to meet standards isn't protectionism in my books, unless foreign product is held to higher standard than your local one - then yes.

I assert the French are protective. You disagree. You then move to assert that restrictive action is not protective . I would be most interested as would the body for World Trade in hearing what you think is protective.

Oh, excuse me you have said what is protective in terms of US actions. I agree the US is protective.....as well as the French, even though the one has nothing to do with the other. 

Restrictive practice is protectionism. The mistake you are making is you don't want to see that, because you assume protectionism is a bad' thing and this is an internal conflict with your view that most French restrictive practice has been 'fair' in terms of it's rational, therefore good

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You will get further with this if you just stop making value judgements about it and assess it in terms of what is the outcome.

1 hour ago, Mossypossy said:

Might take it on another big Scandi trip next year to save wear and tear on the Lexus. Will be five years since we went up there.

Already thinking 2025 road trips.

 

Whereabouts is that?

I have not really spent much time in Scandi which I think is a big oversight on my part.

3 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

On this one I agree with you, however it is no surprise - it was literally in their manifesto. 

Is that ideology over common sense... yes, I think so. But let's not forget that it was originally introduced by Tories... only later pushed further for equally impossible just later date of 2035. So it could be argued it is Tory policy?

Was it worth it to get outright criminal government out... yes absolutelly. Is it good policy - no... it is dumb policy, it is impossible to achieve (2035 is equally impossible)... and it has nothing to do with UK politics - BEV are just not ready for mass adoption and will not be ready by 2030 nor 2035.

Also recognise the date - next election is in 2029, meaning this promise, date ... whatever you call it is meaningless, new government will be elected and will change the date.

As for the industry... I think it is not good, but also it is irrelevant, UK is irrelevant market in terms of global automotive sales. It is only going to hurt consumer in UK, because we will have much worse choice of ICE cars sooner. That said it is not really big issue to me... the newest car I ever planning to own is probably one before 2022, unless it has all the stupid tracking removed from it. So I am quite unlikely to run into issues in my lifetime. And perhaps by the time it becomes relevant to me there will be alternatives like Hydrogen or BEVs themselves will become actually acceptable in quality. 

Be nice. I might give you first dibs on  a lovely Jaguar XK, just not yet . In truth I am all over your comment about implications for ICE cars. This is going to once again screw badly with second hand markets, because as sure as Jesus watched me turn water into wine the new car market is going to get smaller and smaller forcing demand into the used sector. You might agree that if people are thinking about updating their ICE they might be well advised to do it sooner than later.

23 minutes ago, Linas.P said:

The farmer protests and destroying agricultural goods are the same in both countries, farmers just do that, sometimes they even destroy their own produce in protests. This is because they are "protected" group within society and never have to face consequences for their actions. Basically what I am saying - they are spoiled. 

All 3 examples given has nothing to do with being protective of the market, actually quite opposite (my opinion only)...

1. I don't want to eat GMO, French don't want to eat GMO, nobody should eat GMO (unless that is the only way to keep certain product alive). So this is not about protecting the market sector, it is about ensuring level playing field and protecting health of consumer and consumer interests. 

2. I wish all countries would tax large internationals to pay fair share of their taxes. Companies like Amazon only pay something like 1% effective tax and Bezos is becoming ever richer, same for Crapple, they pay something like 0.2% of effective tax, when I pay closer to 40%, Microsoft is little better, they pay around 8%. Importantly this is not about protecting the market, France don't have their own digital services companies (at least not any notable ones, perhaps the biggest one I worked with was Safran, but they also make plane parts, weapons and generally do government security contracts, they are not competitors to google and alikes). In short, France has no market to protect here, they do not protect any of their products, nor companies here... they just want everyone to pay fair tax, almost feels like all countries would want that.

3. Again - this is environmental protection, it only indirectly protects farmer, but again it protects way more. Of course French farmer growing produce in sustainable way can't compete with say Algerian farmer using pesticides and unsustainable practices that compromises long term sustainability over short term profits. But this is about protecting environment first and foremost, I think we all would agree that environment standards should be strict and enforced... Nobody wants to swim in rivers full of shaite (ohhh wait... ). 

You are confusing personal preferences with outcomes.Moreover PR excuses/rational  for such action don't change the outcomes. If the action taken results in fewer foreign goods and services it is by implication protective.

Mi'lord I had to kill my wife, because she was poisoning me with her awful baking. Judge 'she's still dead and you are still guilty of making her that way'.

Actions and outcomes are what they are. Rational for actions are whatever people want them to be..

27 minutes ago, Malc1 said:

That guy Obama might make a good President …… oh he is …… just retired ……. Thought he summed up Trumpety Trump Trump Trump quite well ……. God help America if the next President is some elderly old fossil with now “ officially “ and sadly Dementia …… God help America if the loonies take-over …… again 

Oh, that’s any of ‘em 🥳

We think we have problems here eh 😂🤣😄

We just have to contend with juggling the financials ……. seemingly to beat up the OAPs coz there’s no “ force “ behind us ……. YET. …….. I’m going to ask ASLEF and the RMT to get on-side 

Who’ with me  ?????

Malc 

Can we Petition them please ? 

You could always petition them by lying on the tracks in front of the train. Could be a one off 'strike' action.

That's a nice touch with the metal valances contrast concept. I also like the wing mirros are colour coded and most of the side vents. My wing mirrors are a quite 'pasticky' chrome. Probably the single biggest thing I don't like about the aesthetics of the car. I'm going to stop looking now ,as I can feel an urge to do something financially naughty just starting to raise it's head.

"This is our UK version of the US's horrible Biden-stint since 2020...  " To quote Michael "Not many people know" that Biden was an economic midget.

Oh Lord there I go again... find a different word/expression. Yes, economically challenged.

22 minutes ago, CT200NI said:

Sigh. Was disappointed in the tories to bring that forward a while back, and because of them 'trying to be more like Labour' with that crap, look what happened, so many people voted em out. 

And we very much did vote 'them out', rather than wanting labour 'in'..  I agree it was time for a change to kick the tories into gear, hopefully this labour spell is short and enough to get the tories functioning again properly next round. 

Unfortunately we're going to be in for four years of a Labour government....  big headline changes like this they think will make them popular (and young people / my generation stupid enough to clap for it) whilst quietly making cuts across the board affecting us all to pay for it, and still coming up short leading to national debt increase..  This is our UK version of the US's horrible Biden-stint since 2020...  

For the record ,"Sigh. Was disappointed in the tories to bring that forward a while back, and because of them 'trying to be more like Labour' with that crap, look what happened, so many people voted em out. ". At least Sunak was smart enough to see the problems and that is why he moved it back to 2035.  Unfortunately, there were too many other identity issues and that is what sunk them.

14 minutes ago, toffee_pie said:

The last time I checked there was ONE real XKRS on auto trader, a 4.2 version. In Scotland 

You need to remember here we are talking volumes sold of these cars of basically nothing, the fact that the DVLA says it's a XKR is telling they couldn't be bothered with paperwork for a few extra cars.

The engine is the same but the ECU is mapped differently I believe, transmission changes most likely are different, suspension is different the interior is all black and there's a carbon fibre aero kit fitted, Alcon brakes have 6 pots in the front (400mm disc) and 4 pots in the rear. No spare wheel because they couldn't get a wheel to cover the rear wheels back then so they included  repair gunk 

XKR-S branded mats are included and XKR-S branded seats too, my car mats are in the loft as you won't ever see them again and I think they would cost several hundred pounds itself if you were to find a set 

Driving mine each day knocks any future value off it I would think but that's my own problem.

So, it's probably this one?

Anyway, in conclusion, I think we can all agree you got yourself a hell of a car and the satisfaction of ownership, driving it, that's what most of us here are looking for and what you got.

2008 Black Jaguar Xkr-S 4.2 V8 Coupe 2dr Petrol Auto Euro 4 (420 ps) for sale for £22,500 in EDINBURGH, CITY OF EDINBURGH (autotrader.co.uk)

8 minutes ago, toffee_pie said:

I've not given them a second though, I've certainly more to worry about driving this than manky struts! Keeping on top of service is crucial, I had two oil changes when I had received the car because I didn't know or trust what was used in the initial service so had it replaced by correct oil and filter soon after, transmission fluid and brake fluid and everything else with a fluid was done, coolant was ok mind. Transmission service around £400.

Front Brakes were refurbished a few years ago at a circa £2000 bill but I had the calipers inspected 

I wouldn't really worry about the struts too much what's more annoying is that cover in the boot with them useless clips, I've given up trying to replace them and using the car without the cover now as per photo 

The boot cover has just one function that I can see. That is stopping people having a line of sight into your boot. Maybe, and I don't really know, it might help reduce noise? On the otherhand it makes access to the rear screen impossible for cleaning. Don't know about you ,but I rarely have anything in the boot so I might take take it off and see what happens noisewise if anything.

Latest update Labour set to increase the number of 20mph zones blah blah. So, first we won't look at Wales to see how this went. Second spot the contradiction. We will move the target for cessation of fossil fuel cars forwards to 2030 in the interests of carbon reduction goals. Then we will force drivers to drive inefficiently by using lower gears. Righthand says "Lefthand what's a Lefthand".

Anyone been to one of these? I'm considering it 'cos it falls near to my wife's birthday and I really know she might like a surprise short break hol (cough).

Seriously though within the context of Car Shows would this be one worth attending?

44 minutes ago, Malc1 said:

The new Toyota Hydrogen car will possibly be with us very soon now in the UK and with BP 1200 service stations nationwide with each having a Hydrogen 5 min refuelling capacity ....  well, I might just part with one on my elderly limos and get myself the " New Mirai " or whatever it might be called 

As I said before . I can get some Lexus badges to adorn mine with at that time .........  let's see 

 

it'll be a fight with the gf about losing her Honda Legend rather than one of my Ls400s for sure

 

Yep Hydrogen is to be the Lexus future .........  alongside another Govt reversal of the 2030 deadline coz no one in their right mind's going to be buying that pure EV ........  even Ford have decided to bite their $ 1.9bn loss of investment to build the new Ford SUV  😂

Cest le vie

Malc

Another Superhero is born.....meet Malc Nom De Plume ... Hydroman !!! His favoured mode of transport when not flying via Cape Airlines is The (world famous) Lexomobile ...the crowd went "ooooh"

50 minutes ago, GMB said:

I'm getting past caring with the new labour/tory lookalike gov't. Just waiting to see how much more damage is coming along soon. 4 more years of disappointment, grin and bear it.  I heard that most people voted "anyone but tories" in the recent election but I don't think they saw this shoddy treatment coming.

Even the manager at our local Lexus garage bemoans the problems with the preponderance of electric vehicles, he said: Hydrogen and synthetic fuels are the future. Maybe he is right?

Funny you touched on that idea. I was explaining this to my daughter who being younger and doing what she does tends to be more Labour leaning (mistakenly). That is, Labour politicians think that big fat majority was people voting for their policies. Meanwhile on planet Earth people like you and I know many voted for what they didn't want (another Tory govt) and NOT for Labour policies.

30 minutes ago, Malc1 said:

sometime's one wonders 😂🤣😁  .................... or is this now the natural decline from that time into older adulthood coming thru '

seriously, yes, us older more mature super Lexus owners of course have a more rational and hearty perception on " life as we know it "  ..............  beam him up Scotty ( or is it Sooty )

 

Malc

Oh come on Eric you know I set that up for you.

Yours Ernie

46 minutes ago, ColinBarber said:

The issue seems to be with Autotrader in the way it labels the vehicles. None of the traders actually state XKR-S on their websites, it is just the AT advert heading.

The private sale one at £22.5k certainly looks a genuine XKR-S.

Took me awhile of digging, but I have arrived eventually at the same conclusion.

Government confirms 2030 BAN on new petrol and diesel cars is back - what does it mean for you?

I guess comes as no surprise to most of us that Labour chose to reinstate the timeline for cessation of the sale of new Fossil fuel cars. Moving 2035 back to 2030. Funny when just about every Industry expert says it is untenable. You see why I dislike Ideology so much? It does nothing, but encourage people to be the most stupid version of themselves.

Current market implications anyone?

10 hours ago, Linas.P said:

Re: your point about tyres, can't see how it proves anything - tyres made in the country are cheaper in that country. Brigestones probably are cheaper in Japan. Also as I said, they use all sorts of premium tyres, Michelin is probably more popular than say UK, but not like all tyres are just Michelins. That UK has no tyre manufacturers that is UK problem, but back in the day Dunlops and Avons were cheaper in UK, when they were UK made.

I agree that local markets are more important popular in France - I agree. However, I have never had a need to go there, because simple E. Leclerc, Intermarché, Super U or Carrefour has all the fresh, good quality food I would ever want. I can't say the same about Tesco, Asda, Sainsburys or Morrisons... Even a little bit more upmarket MS and Waitrose sells same junk food just for more money. I honestly have never hear or seen shop called Booths (and that is because the nearest one from me is 4 hours drive). I am not saying all food is junk in UK, but ratio of junk:fresh is like 80% to 20%, so I have to find something to eat within say 30% of all products (obviously I eat some junk as well) and another 85% of the offering does not interest me at all. In France it is more like 30% to 70%, 70% being loads of fresh foods, fish, meat etc. and huge range of it, I honestly never find myself in place where I can't find something I want there, everything is nice, everything is fresh and I barely need half of what they have to offer. That again depends on what one is looking for... perhaps many people are quite happy with baked beans, toast bread and they never have any issue shopping in UK, it is down to personal choice.

Again - I am just saying that I have not noticed that French are somehow protective of their foods... I would not want buy baked beans either... my new "favourite" are canned pasta, we always have a laugh with my girlfriend when we see entire shelve full of them in local Sainsbury's "who would buy that"... apparently people do. Or ready made potato mash?! I would have never thought there would be market for that, but there is.

Also... restaurants and cafes... I have eaten out 100s of times in France and in UK... and in UK it is 50/50%... it may be nice or it may be outright disgusting. In France I am yet to found restaurant that wouldn't be anything but exceptional. Perhaps not in the airport Subway, but any independent restaurants are always very good. You can stop in petrol station and have a nice meal, would never dare trying food in British petrol station...

Farmer protests are often ridiculous, for example in Poland they have destroyed Ukrainian grain in protests... Does that means Polish people are protective of their agricultural products?! Not really, it is just small minority of agitated farmers who thinks they are untouchable, because there is no government in the world that would be able to score political points shooting rubber bullets at their own farmers (even if they deserve that). It would be political suicide to attack farmers... here, in France, in Germany... any country. Somehow it is okey to trash talk bankers, police, military, but farmers and doctors are sacred! So this doesn't really prove much to me. As for wine specifically... Again I can't see the problem here - given a choice I would also prefer to drink French wine almost exclusively over all other wines. There are occasional wine from other countries that I like, but French wine is always "safe choice".

But to balance it out - there are few things I hate in France... for example that nobody collects dog shaite... it is considered acceptable to leave it in the middle of the road, not even acceptable... I don't believe they ever collect it! In other hand horse riders in UK also leave massive piles behind them, I always thought it is bizarre that people can get £1000 fine for tiny dog shaite, but leaving metric ton of horse shaite literally covering entire path side to side is acceptable. 

"Again - I am just saying that I have not noticed that French are somehow protective of their foods."

For clarity I did not actually say that, but I understand why you have done so. I did say "the French are very protective of their markets". I use the word "markets" as stock traders do to indicate their wider economy, not as a shopper would.

Back to your Poland example. In logic you are actually helping my case in one sense ,but not in another. You are being both suggestive and deflective. Suggestive is like this ; "Stephen lives in the UK and weighs 12stones; Linus lives in the UK". There is a suppressed implication that one somehow relates to the other which in fact it does not and this is what we call deflective in that by using an irrelevant statement it deflects from the argument we are trying to establish. Each issue is independent and in the case of Poland as you cite it then actually you would say that market action described is sufficiently suggestive that you would look further to establish if in the larger scheme of things Poland were in fact protective of markets. This of course as nothing at all to do with whether France is so. In that case you would also look further to establish the argument.

So, not conclusive ,but again a building block to take further if we so  wish. I quote;

"

France has taken various actions against the import of foreign goods over the last 20 years, often in response to concerns about unfair competition, health and safety standards, or environmental regulations. However, specific instances and the exact number of actions are not readily available in a single source.

Some notable examples include:

• Agricultural products: France has frequently taken measures to protect its agricultural sector, such as imposing restrictions on genetically modified organisms (GMOs) and certain pesticides.
• Digital services: France has implemented digital service taxes targeting large foreign tech companies to ensure they pay fair taxes on revenues generated within the country.
• Environmental standards: France has enforced strict environmental regulations that sometimes affect the import of goods not meeting these standards."

Part of the problem is we are not of a similar age and as such my lens is wider than yours. If I were arguing this issue with my slightly older economically minded brother then I would not be arguing so much as engaging in a mutual nodding contest. From reaching adulthood in the early '70's and becoming more aware of the world around me then over time, to me, France as been synonymous with market protection at govt level and indeed at street level. They are a standout at this and 'always' have been for well over half a century.

27 minutes ago, Boomer54 said:

"It sometimes feels everything I say is lost." Sorry you feel like that. I am interested and trying to understand what I got wrong regarding the XKR-S and it's pricing structure. In the interests of education can you tell me why the following is not an XKR-S and how would I know that from the description and pics. The aforementioned described it as an XKR-S and it is badged RS. The performance data suggests it holds the same kind BHP as your pistonhead advert. Clearly you must be seeing something that tells you something more so for future use if I know that then I will have learned something today.

Actually forget it. You are correct ,but Autotrader want shooting with something big and heavy.

If I wanted to be bloody minded I could give somebody a very good legal action citing Misrepresenation.

I quote;

he Misrepresentation Act 1967 is a key piece of legislation in the UK that protects buyers from false or misleading statements made by sellers. If a seller makes a false statement that induces a buyer to enter into a contract, the buyer may have the right to rescind the contract or claim damages¹.

In the case of Autotrader the title AD describes the car to be "Jaguar XKR-S". Only when you enter the body of the AD thinking you already know what you are looking at does the decsription change to XKR !!

Very naughty.

 

 

 

Actually the very last one at the £22k is described as a XKR-S throughout and it is badged R-S The other 3 at the lower end of the price range stated are indeed XKR misdescribed. Do we agree on that?

7 hours ago, DamianLEX said:

I always think about that blonde cheek from Terminator movie when I see sc430…

Is it only me?

Btw I like wooden interior here!

I'll tell the wife you still think of her .😉

11 hours ago, toffee_pie said:

It was 200 units, 150 were allocated to Europe LHD, and 50 were allocated to the UK.  I already explained AT - They include XKRs as a R-S - and the V5C refers to them as a XKR also. There is no XKR-S for £12K and not 15 on the list,  you still seem confused on what I actually have.

It sometimes feels everything I say is lost.

More of these were sold in Europe and they are not cheap

https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/jaguar-xkr-xkr-s-4-2-s-c-coupe-gasoline-black-0a3f621f-2a2f-4121-aafa-2d48393d9343?sort=standard&desc=0&lastSeenGuidPresent=true&cldtidx=5&position=5&search_id=1hfe3yfb42v&source_otp=t10&ap_tier=t10&source=listpage_search-results&order_bucket=2

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/jaguar/jaguar-xkr-s-2008-review/

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/one-of-50-jaguar-xkr-s-for-sale/45323

"It sometimes feels everything I say is lost." Sorry you feel like that. I am interested and trying to understand what I got wrong regarding the XKR-S and it's pricing structure. In the interests of education can you tell me why the following is not an XKR-S and how would I know that from the description and pics. The aforementioned described it as an XKR-S and it is badged RS. The performance data suggests it holds the same kind BHP as your pistonhead advert. Clearly you must be seeing something that tells you something more so for future use if I know that then I will have learned something today.

Actually forget it. You are correct ,but Autotrader want shooting with something big and heavy.

If I wanted to be bloody minded I could give somebody a very good legal action citing Misrepresenation.

I quote;

he Misrepresentation Act 1967 is a key piece of legislation in the UK that protects buyers from false or misleading statements made by sellers. If a seller makes a false statement that induces a buyer to enter into a contract, the buyer may have the right to rescind the contract or claim damages¹.

In the case of Autotrader the title AD describes the car to be "Jaguar XKR-S". Only when you enter the body of the AD thinking you already know what you are looking at does the decsription change to XKR !!

Very naughty.

12 hours ago, toffee_pie said:

Nothing to feel bad about, I was around 2 years looking into the various XKs about - I knew nothing about a XKR-S either, so when one appears for sale there was only ever one outcome.

You can compare the Jag to the LC500 here - not much in it...keeping in mind the Jag is 15 years old but its had magic worked on its suspension by the aforementioned trio - I actually think the figures quoted are generous because if you stamp the accelelerator all hell breaks loose in D mode let alone S

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_cmp2.php#gsc.tab=0

Here is the boot struts, a bit manky but they are doing what they should do - 48k miles on this when I got it, 1 owner - no rattles bangs knocks, still smells of leather inside.! I have aluminium on the dash because I wont be using it for a few days and it takes a minute to fit as opposed to getting a damaged dashboard and what that will involve

 

 

 

Thanks for that Toff. My struts are just like that. As you say they work ,but it.s a shame that when the car looks as good as it does they kind of let it down.

At 48k you bought low miieage in my view which pushes up the buy price. My arbitrary cut off for low mileage is 50k, mid range from there to 100k, top range upwards of that.