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By all means I would advise to try the standard audio and see what you think... perhaps not everyone have the same requirements and it would satisfy your needs. However, in my opinion it is totally unacceptable and borderline criminal to exist in any car never mind £40k luxury car. As well, several members here got IS/RC with this system and only realised how terrible it is and how little options there are for upgrade only after purchase. Is there any particular reason why you looking at 2018 cars? Because for example your last car is clearly 2017MY with older smaller screen despite being registered in 2018. Finally, note that you only need to copy advert ID in the link i.e. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202103250568076. Otherwise you sharing your post code in the link (may not be a big deal). As well I would not limit distance at 100 miles - these are rare cars and you would be lucky to find one you want even nationwide, so limiting it to 100 miles just limits your choice significantly.

Correct. My point was: I would be suspicious of any car of such age (3-4 years) which doesn't have service history. Simply... why would anyone buy £40k car and didn't bother servicing it?!

I think that is absolutely rational decision, older RC will give you 90% of the same features and I would not worry about "dealer approved" car either. Even Lexus dealers cannot be trusted and you must record all the interaction in writing e.g. e-mail. The whole "approved" thing makes no difference whatsoever - mere fact it is on the dealer lot makes it "approved", but does not guarantee car condition will be good. I guess the only advantage is that Lexus dealer will be in the same place tomorrow so if something is wrong you can find them, whereas private seller or independent dealer may not be so easy to find. Secondly, if you would have wanted to get FL car then I would say - sadly there is no way to get it for less, but pre-FL cars can certainly be had for much less, either with more miles (or even less miles in this case), or older year. Whatever you do - do not buy car with standard audio system... it is just crime that Lexus fitted into RC. Get either Premium audio (10 speakers) or ML. You can see that car has standard audio system on pre-FL cars by round dial next to armrest, instead of "mouse pad". Don't forget Lexus has now changed their warranty terms (called "Lexus Relax"), which means that as long as you service car with Lexus it will have extended warranty for 100k miles and 10years. In short - you can buy car anywhere provided you are happy with the condition of the car (I assume that includes full service history), service it at Lexus and it will automatically get warranty.

And? Lets start from basics - can you son charge his car at home?

The camera on IS mk2 generation 2005-2012 was very poor and grainy anyway. It may be that your camera has some condensation/dirt in it, which results in you not being able to see anything in daylight, maybe due to refection. In short my first suggestion would be to try to take it out/open it and clean it. If it doesn't work, the second step would be to get used camera from breakers/junk yard. This is definitely better option than getting new reproduction (could be considered fake) from China. And as you have already discovered buying new OEM is not an option... to be fair in UK you can buy entire IS220d for £1000 😁

Just don't forget we are talking about liquified hydrogen here and not hydrogen gas. with all the equipment required for storing it (pressurised tank) it is certainly heavier than water, although maybe not as heavy as aforementioned heavy fuel oil.

Face-Lift and Lexus Safety System (Plus)... the "LSS+" is the minimum standard of active safety system Lexus fits to all of it's cars since ~2018MY In the past various cars had various different systems, so perhaps LS600 Premier had equivalent of LSS+ in 2006, but other models did not... so Lexus decided that safety is kind of important and it should not be an option. It is same as Toyota Safety Sense 2.0, except Toyota doesn't fit it across the range as standard... Now that is true in theory , but it does not mean that say 2020 CT/UX gets same system as 2020 NX/ES and there are still some variance in quality and functions of the system e.g. dynamic cruise control on CT only work from ~30MPH (it may be 28MPH =45KPH) whereas in NX it could work from the start (known as "full-range/speed" or "all-speed" system). The difference comes to when you approach the traffic (say traffic lights) in either car - CT would start slowing down and would disengage cruise control and then signal for you to brake, if you don't then it will trigger emergency braking (which is not at all pleasant) in contrast say NX would slowdown to stop by itself, turn off the engine and once traffic moves-off would start the engine and start moving by itself until it reaches the speed you have previously set. All that without you touching anything at all. To be fair in my experience as long as road is well marked it is almost as good as autopilot. You can find more here: https://www.lexus.com/documents/safety/Lexus-Safety-System-Plus-062017.pdf

Hydrogen power becomes more viable the bigger is the vehicle, as such it seems like ships are the best place to start. I would imagine they either going to have enough for entire journey, or like other ships they can refuel at sea (called bunkering). The difference is that instead of getting heavy fuel oil (extremely poor quality and toxic fuel) from tanker, they will get liquid hydrogen from LNG carrier. Importantly if spill happens... this is just hydrogen! And this last bit is SO IMPORTANT! Most of marine disasters by the number and by the impact is caused by spilled oil! Imagine how much better is when ship runs on hydrogen... spills are literally no longer an issue! Even if ship get's stuck and needs to be refloated, in theory they can just dump all their fuel directly into the sea without any impact at all... this is massive. Although I am not sure how this relates to the topic of new IS 🤣

Great post! This is exactly the case. I said before and I will repeat it again - I am not against BEVs, I can see benefit of them and I can see certain uses for which they are great. However, what I am always saying is that BEVs are not suitable for everyone and not everyone could own them... somehow this instantly makes me into anti-BEV anti-environment climate change denier. People like to see this as black and white issue which really hinders proper debate and this is not only the case here, but at national and international level itself. As for capacity topic, again you are correct - I didn't want to further overcomplicate this topic, but when I say capacity I mean overall infrastructure to charge BEVs. As you said generating enough electricity is just one part of the puzzle, then you need to distribute it, then the actual households have to have correct wiring, then the correct chargers have to be installed if there is place for them. This is not overnight job like some people like to think. In the end of the day what I am saying is that - if we want to ban ICE in 2030, then we need at least 10 years to build-up all the pieces of the puzzle and currently I just can't see any progress. Sure there we hear everyday about new super charger or fast public charger, but that again is just small part of overall network we need if we want BEVs to be viable for wider public. And that is my concern... On top of that knowing how untrustworthy our government is I would not be surprised if 2030 comes and then we realise nothing is ready! I personally almost certain that will be the case... On top of all the issues current crop of BEVs have other dirty secrets... they may provide CO2 advantage, but mining practices and recycling of the cars themselves could become a problem when they are more widespread. Taking best case scenario where we replace most polluting cars, which drive in short distances in the city with small number BEVs works on small scale and damage to the environment could be manageable, but when we go on big scale with plan to replace ALL cars with BEVs then the risk and damage may not stack-up. Again this does not mean I deny the benefits of BEVs, I am just saying there are two sides of it and the topic is far more complicated.

Agreed... Sadly not as single politician would ever accept that, because all of them would end-up in jail. Point is - they only care about getting elected and the getting thought the term... whatever happens after the terms they don't care... new goverment will deal with it... but new goverment does the same exact thing over and over again.

Ok ... I leave you to believe in this propaganda. You do understand that people writing this BS are partial and it is in their own interest to say how great they are. They just take average, most favourable situation and then say all will be good... Except comes 2030 and suddenly we will realise that network and power generation is not sufficient. I don't want to link it to another recent political disaster, but I don't believe you don't understand how politicians talk and conduct the business. They said as well that there won't be border in Irish see, and there won't be delays for good crossing the channel... same like there will be no shortage of charging point and electricity. Sure... Please get real!

Let's just be serious for a second here... who believes this BS... 32 million BEV tomorrow and we have enough capacity. Please just stop...

That is exactly my fear... all the signs are point to exactly that. I can see any progress made in terms of capacity needed, or transmission and charging network building. All focus is on demonising the motorist, abandoning the roads, diverting public funding into cycling infrastructure, public transport etc. demolishing parking and converting them into flats without parking. I think the future will be very sad for motorists - it will be back to 1920s where to won the car one will have to be extremely rich. Once all remaining ICEs case existing after sales ban in 2030 (say after 10-15 years) the only option will be to use public, cycle or walk. The saddest thing - there won't even be riots and nobody going to put politicians on pikes! look at current generation - people are growing up and not even getting driving license (partly because they won't be able to insure until they are at least 25-30), they will never experience the freedom car gives (especially when you are teenager) and thus they will never miss it. So they will never see an issue in cars disappearing

Black edition was only available in 2018 and it had all the options including ML. One thing I would note is that buying 2018 car you will have to pay new road tax (I believe £140/year) compared to £20 on 2017 car. This is kind of annoying, because I think 2018MY are the best RCs in my opinion - not FL (I don't like how they look), but already includes LSS+ and Widescreen Sat-Nav. To be fair I would not pay extra £3000-4000 they are are asking for this particular "black edition" - there are other cars with lower miles and lower price, or same price and FL models. Besides back on black is kind of too dark in my opinion, but that is personal preference I guess.

Key advantage of Hydrogen station is that it enables everyone in it's vicinity to own Hydrogen vehicle. What is considered reasonable distance to travel obviously is personal thing, but I would say ~20 miles is feasible.

LC is indeed tempting car... probably even good investment. Regarding hydrogen... I really doubt we see any IS/GS car returning and using hydrogen. I think the most likely hydrogen Lexus would be LS (because it is based on the same platform as Mirai mk2). LC is based on same platform as well, but I doubt Lexus going to release GT coupe with 7.5s 0-60... for LS it is less of an issue. Perhaps we will see some crossover monster thing with hydrogen cell, but I would not be interested in that either.

I have answered your question. It is not future, it is present ... even past for some. You can already own hydrogen car and reach any part of UK in it.

There are other way to answer this... In Europe saloons have always been very competitive niche, it is even referred as "European/sports saloon" in say US. This is distinct car which isn't really popular in US or generally worldwide... they have their full-size saloon (sedan) cars in US well represented by such cars as Ford Crown Victoria or Lexus ES. These are large cars made for cruising at highway, but not very sporty. Lexus decision to make IS and GS was a shot at specifically BMW 3 and 5 series European Sport saloons... Perhaps the reason Lexus decided to stop making IS and GS is simply because: The market is far too competitive/unprofitable they simply lost the game for BMW/MB They tried hard, but sadly they were never been able to make competitive European/sports saloon which would be recognised as market leader. Same could be said about Ford - Mondeo was popular in early 90's, Sierra in 80's before Germans found the way to dominate the market. Nowadays no exec drives Mondeo, despite it being normal in 90s. BMW/MB simply managed to establish themselves as a market leaders and other manufacturers simply could not bother to invest money needed to offer competitive product there.

@Malc - No, there won't be another IS. I would go with the first guess - no more IS ever worldwide. If there is going to be global saloon version it will be ES based car. Not exactly sure how UX300e represents 3L petrol engine? I think this nomenclature is long out of the windows and the last car to somewhat represent it was GS450h... 300h never represented equivalent to 3L petrol... so these number have long become arbitrary model names showing where the car sits in the range and nothing else.

It is not ridiculously false... It is a fact that to fully charge BEV with standards socket will take 2-3 days. That you have decided to include rather arbitrary circumstances and conditions to suit your story that is your problem not mine. I never said people drive 180miles everyday, but it would not be unusual to do it once a week or once a month... and if that makes your car unusable next day, then it is quite a big issue. Again you pedal same ridiculous idea that - either can simply charge from the socket already... which is not at all universally true, or that people most can install the charge (no they can't) or they already have one (no they don't). Let's just agree on on thing - owning BEV will inevitably require significant change in how we use the cars, the charging times significantly reduces flexibility of how, when and for how long the car could be used, where it could be charged etc. I agree that there will be few people for whom it may not be an issue, but most likely (as it is today) most of BEV owners simply going to have 2 cars... once BEV for just run around the town for short trips and another one ICE when they want to go further. This isn't exactly good solution and certainly it isn't very environmentally friendly. 2 cars even if one of the are BEV will pollute more over their lifetime than 1.

I have said many times that I hate several cars because they are too slow, but frankly even I think that 2.5s in family SUV is stupid and unnecessary. I understand there are cars where 0-60 is the key selling point (supercars, hypercars etc.), with exception of those the only think which matters to me is acceleration enough to be able to safely accelerate and join the traffic. I don't think there is definitive answer to that, but 5-6s 0-60 should be enough to safely join any road and for overtaking. In short - I think what Tesla is doing with Plaid versions is just stupid and wasteful. Not to mention this extra acceleration is pollution as well. Let's just face it - Tesla is not a green car. Yes they took BEV technology and are very successful with marketing themselves as "green" , but performance BEVs are very far from actually being green. As @Las Palmas mentioned many times here - CO2 emissions is not the only way to look at how green the car is. In fact I much less worried about global warming and CO2... which may or may not impact humanity in 10000 years, but I am very worried about much more acute problem like plastic and heavy metal pollution which is poisoning our food sources right now!

You are banking on that something needed the electricity exactly when there is sudden excess. We are not talking about general peaks and quite times here, there are demand fluctuations and that is what causes most issues. Secondly, to charge these cars there are still transmission losses and the charging itself is not 100% efficient either. This doesn't disprove my statement in any way, nor it makes Hydrogen production for excess power not viable - you simply just assume BEVs could take a use of excess capacity in the network... which is true in theory, I just don't think networks and charging points could manage the transmissions so precisely to eliminate waste completely. It is definitely much more easy to do it at power station level - because power station can sense excess almost instantly. The second statement just oversimplifies the issue. No you absolutely can't charge modern electric car using domestic socket, because it may take 2-3 days to do it. You assume that every one simply going to charge the car back to the range they have used during the day everyday... again I can see many issues with that. Simple example - I decided to drive to the seaside on Sunday, which is around 140miles each way... give or take. So 280miles range is gone and because you generally get less range once A/C, cooling, heating and music is on this would mean I could barely manage this even in long rage Tesla. On Monday I have to drive to client meeting 40 miles from home... so again I need at lest 120 miles of range.... There is no way I will be able to recharge it at home, because it would take 17 hours. Sure I may be able to recharge enough to reach fast charging point, but then I need to factor extra 30-60minutes into my morning... For me that would be disaster, because I already hate morning as it is, if I need to wake-up hour earlier, then I may as well just run ICE car. Or maybe I decided to go to the beach both days, Saturday and Sunday - there is no way I can do that with home charging BEV. In short - you can't take average annual mileage, divide it by day and assume that every person will drive exact same route every day and thus can simply recharge at home. This is not how it works in reality... journeys will warry significantly and there will be days when car will not be used, and there will be days where car needs to do 600 miles in a span of 2 days.

Interesting information above. From the script it seems like LAS director had really hard time and was pressured into taking his words back in the name of "political correctness" ("how dare you undermining our cunning plan of traffic calming features!"). I have seen quite a lot more research from US, but I generally tying not to use research outside of UK as other countries may have different circumstances. I think it would be fair to say that traffic calming features causes both additional pollution and delay to emergency services. That is fact. However, it seems there are no recent research in UK which would quantify definitive impact. In such case I would have a go at speed bump with a hammer at night... definitely not selling the Ferrari 😄 But the owner may have recognised the bigger issue - even if he can leave the shared drive.... he still lives in the country littered with these nasty things... and having a go on each of them with a hammer at night is probably not worthy. I personally hate speed humps and narrow gates - I think they are absolutely retarded idea, with exception of access roads and parking. I don't mind chicanes actually, but they still increase pollution.

No I just said, that it would be much more difficult to visit it with EV without Supercharger being there. For many older/lower range EVs it would be actually impossible. And I still believe that you decided to visit Fort William (instead of literally any other beautiful place in UK), because BEV charger network allows it. It is not my issue that you have totally failed to understand what I said. Simply said - you currently can reach any part of UK with HCV, but you would have to start your journey, or drive via one of 4 locations - Aberdeen, London, Sheffield or Swindon. That said with 400 miles range, this isn't as much of an issue at it may seem. Likewise you probably would need to live no more than 20 miles from those locations to make it viable, so it limits the access somewhat. I never said I am planning to buy hydrogen car - good old petrol completely satisfies my needs. However, contrary to what you said "most of drivers could charge at home" - I said "it would be easier for me to own HCV, than BEV". And that is true, because I live 5 miles from Hydrogen station, meaning I can own HCV and reach any part of UK in it, yet I can't charge car at home, so I can't own BEV. Going back to the topic - if there would be new IS BEV and assuming I would like to buy it, I just can't buy it because I can't charge it. But if new IS would be HCV, and again assuming I would like to buy it... I can buy it and use it without any issues. So for me HCV is better than BEV...

Actually, I finally find the type of research I was looking for... sadly it is 2010, but we can only assume situation got worse in last 11 years, certainly didn't improve. The key take away for me - arguing "off-street" vs "on-street", or counting parking per household is pointless, actually what we should be counting is actual number of registered cars vs. number of available spaces with charging facility. Key table is here: By looking at the table - it would be easy to assume that 41% of garages and 26% of off-street parking means there is 67% of spaces where charges can be installed, however this could not be further for the truth. The definition "off-street" does not mean car is parked in the place outside of home with charger for BEV or even possibility to have one. What it means is simply that car is not parked on the public road... that is all! For example my parking space in garage is considered "off-street" parking, likewise neighbours parking spaces outside of the building on the road are considered "off-street", because they are on private land. Clearly neither could be used to charge BEV despite being off-street. Another interesting fact - in UK there are over 10 million garages, but as we know almost no council garages have provision for electricity and frankly they are not suitable to park the car at all. I was once offered council garage and my car literally could not fit thought the gate (like majority of modern cars). This means that number of garages skews the number of available "off-street" parking, because let's face it - most of the people who have council garage uses them as a storage, but actually parks their cars on the street. Sadly, this research was done before BEVs were relevant, but based on few sources we can try to get some picture. We know how many parking spaces there are (or were in 2010), but we don't know how many of them are suitable for charging. Based on following source, currently there are ~300k private chargers and ~42k public chargers in UK. Another source estimate suggested that 350k more will be installed in next 4 years (with caveat that they quote only 120k chargers currently exists). What does that mean? Even with optimistic predictions there will be ~800k chargers in UK by 2025. It means that industry is estimating far less charging points than I did! I said that I would assume ~15% of household would have access to charger (now) ... industry itself is estimating only about 800k in 2025, out of 26 million parking spaces (going by 2010 stats) - that is less than 3%! And here we have people saying "simple - just charge at home"... "majority of people can charge at home"... yes if "majority" is 3% maybe... but last time I checked my English the "majority" had different meaning. In summary If we distil the question to "how many households have access to off-street parking", this answer is 67% (in 2010) and I guess that means Colin is technically right. But if we ask what actually matters - "how many of 32 million cars in UK could be parked in the space at home which is suitable for charging"... Then the answer is completely different - firstly there are no research to answer this questions and secondly - it is quite clear there are not many.