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I am reading in the press that the UK is heading in that direction anyway, no need for penalties just install a government that handles the economy like a highschool project?

Hear hear! This week i had to be in a southern european city and the pollution from traffic was just horrible. City center, trucks spewing out black smoke and the constant stream of cars made your eyes tear. Imagine living on a street like that.

Maybe its technically possible but the cost to reach that will mean cars will become so expensive nobody will buy them. Remember a car manufacturer is allowed 95 grams co2/km average. this is for all cars sold in a year, add them all up and average must be 95 grams. Every gram above that is a fine. If you produce several million cars per year this fine can easily reach billions of Euros. Slow selling gas guzzlers are not so important ( audi R8/ BMW M5 etc) as these do not influence the overall picture. Volume sellers like the VW Polo Citroen C1 etc are a real problem. These cars are designed for a certain pricepoint and any priceincrease wil;l kill them. The dramatic effect of the 95 grams rule ( from 2025 it will be 80) is that the cheap bottom end of the range cars will all disappear. Transport for the masses? no longer!

Below link is from the German carmagazine AutoBild. It is a long read about the current batteries in electric cars and the developments in the near and distant future. I do hope you can have it translated into English. I have a Google Chromebook and it automatically asks me if i want it translated if it detects a foreign language but i do not know how to send the english version so maybe someone can help? https://www.autobild.de/artikel/elektroauto-batterie-akku-tauschen-co2-abdruck-kosten-recycling-16202315.html

Depends on their purchaseprice?

There is hardly any money to be made from selling fuels. Petrolstations earn more from selling water or coke. the real earners are the government taxtaxtax

Hey Mincey, 1945 is a long time ago huh. BTW i was expecting some connection to the local hospital

The Ampera was a brave car beeing one of the first EVs but has already been forgotten. Thats how bad it was i guess.

yea just found out think i was a bit too ambitious. Average horse is 300kg say 160 kg good meat times 285 = 45600 kgs! My size steak will be 220 grams so if i cut them all up and vacuum the steaks i will have 207.272 steaks. Winter is 4 months times 30 days is 120 days which equals 1727 steaks per day!! Something tells me that is not going to work. Interested in buying some?

285 of the above ofcourse! Enough steak to keep me going through the winter

if you do 300 miles per week you only have to charge once a week with todays cars? the BM was one of the first ( 8 yrs ago!) and technology has moved on

Whatever ones opinion about EVs the reality is that demand outstrips supply by a factor of 2. Just look at the latest Uk salesfigs, compared to last year EV sales doubled with Tesla as absolute King of them all. The Tesla model Y is expected to be the bestselling car within some months. WORLDWIDE. Plug in is expected to disappear within 3 yrs as the transition to EV is gaining momentum rapidly. Also it is expected production of EV will be more profitable than ICE within 2 to 3 years. Toyota/Lexus is late to the party but they are now throwing their full weight in. Its all about EV. Private sales ( so non company cars) in Scandinavia and Netherlands now at 40%). However that does not mean you cannot drive you V8 until the end of time of course you can! And then there is another thing.. There is an opinion within the industry that screens ( is say that again SCREENS ) are more important to younger buyers than the overall design or brand of the car. Old farts like me still call it a dashboard but apparently the kids see a car as their phone. Swipe/internet/visuals/grapics without a nanosecond delay/true black and whatever. And guess where the Chinese excell? In my idea it will take no longer than 3 years before the Chinese brands are settled over here. Last remark. APPLE did a survey amongst Tesla customers and the outcome was that 70% was ready to move to an APPLE car if it was available. Worrying figures Mr Musk!

Are you paid for EV trashing?

So you have been there and found the air clean as a whistle so whats the problem. Seriously?

I think it is not economically viable to do that. Oil would be too expensive, gas would be too plus other issue ( the largest gasfield in Europe is below the most northern province in The Netherlands but extraction stopped as earthquakes from this was severely damaging houses). Fracking oil is expensive and is only economical at high oilprices. Car manufacturers have stopped developing small ICE engines as it would be too costly to engineer them to meet the stricktest emission standards, the cars would be unsellable. It is pretty complicated alas..

Its not that black and white as the press wants you to believe. In charging its important to understand that unlike with petrolstations that more or less have a comparable price that is not the case with EV charging. There are huge differences. The faster you charge the more expensive it gets. 350KW chargers along the highway are expensive and that is likely the price the press uses. Dont know prices in the UK but in Holland the most expensive is around 0.75/kwh to 0.10/kwh for a 11kw charger. I use the latter in front of my office and can run 70 km on a full charge which costs some 1.70 euro. Still way cheaper than petrol i think.

Tell us Martin please tell us!

I think that Chinese car manufacturers are heavily underestimated. Enthusiasts visiting an automobile forum like us can still be snobby about " The Chinese" but boy did they come a long way. When was it, maybe 10/15 years ago when landwind was the first to try and got zero stars at the crash tests? And now the various makes are arriving like a steamroller on our markets. Traditional car companies will be in for a rough ride. As example across the street where i have my office is a large Peugeot dealer, they moved out and guess what moves in? BYD or better known as Build Your Dreams https://bydeurope.com. I am convinved the vast majority of car buyers don't care too much what they drive. Friends of us bough an electric MG a year ago. Chinese car, in my idea horribly looking proportions wrong tiny battery but guess what it was cheap and they are very happy indeed!

And the choke you needed to pull to start up in winter ( if it would!) And the enging that needed to warm up before moving it just would not idle! And the shocks and exhausts that needed replacing regularly And engines that were done at 100k And men working on broken cars in every other street And milkbottles came in a Bedford

John, times they are changing. Handbooks seem to be a thing of the past now a bit like telephone books we once had? I did not get one since 12 years and 3 cars. Download on the internet please or just send us a mail ( dont call nooo). The last handbook i got was from my IS250 and the manual for the satnav was i believe 7000 pages and written by a team of software engineers It was even more complicated than the system itself which is a fine achievement.. . I didnt even bother reading it but dug a deep hole in the garden and buried it. My experience in question of any form is to youtube. Its all there within one minute!

Your V8 will last fine until then Malc i guess the best plan is dont buy anything untill all back to normal!

Can i just say that i am pleased we seem to be out of the pandemic now. People still catch it but the element if danger seems to have left and the world has opened up again. We are still in a big economic mess as supply chain and logistics were closed down an had to go full throttle again almost overnight. This will affect the automotive world at least for another year. Before all is balanced and back to normal we could well be in 2024/5!

Thats different i think. For him its a businessmodel and he rakes in millions deliberately spreading fiction of which he knows its untrue he tells people what they want to hear and has a huge following.

Toffee i was not going to react to your contribution but i just cannot get my head around this one. The Russian/ukraine war is fake?