Killysprint

The e300 is a POS. We have a e350e estate- same engine with the hydrid, so more combined power and torque and it’s crap. A shopping trolley. If that’s you’re idea of a good car with a turbo motor - there’s no point in even discussing this further.

M3/M4 “outright sports car” - never in a million years. Performance saloon - yes And again - you’re not driving the right turbo cars. Plateaus then change up - nope. In a shopping trolley yes. Not in a proper performance “turbo” like an M, RS, AMG, Porsche etc etc etc. They pull like hell to the red line. and as @Flytvrsaid the nanny programming on the gearbox wanting to be in the highest gear possible is a problem and does effect ultimate performance. I use mine as a daily, and find it fine for that. Using the paddles in S+ allows the performance to used to the full if required.

You’re comparing the 8AR-FTS which is a run of the mill, mid range slogger, used in mid range saloons and SUVs, To relatively high performance engines used in a totally different sector and class of cars. The 8AR-FTS wasn’t designed to be a high revver - the turbo is used to downsize the engine, improve torque and to aid with emissions and conform with the ever tighter environment constraints being put on the motor industry. In the past the engine would have probably been multi cylinder (5 or 6) 2.5 L or more, where the red line would have been no more than 6 or 6500. The V8 red lines at 7100? - peak torque 4800? 470hp and around 385 Ib Ft if torque. And it is a torque peak. And because of this you to make the most of the performance you have to rev the knackers off it to make it move. Most turbos now have a boost front that grows from idle, plateauing upto and around 4500 revs, then depending on the application in higher performance cars revs keep building, boost flattens the power kicks in and maintains ooomph, or in more mid range boost decreases and they run out of puff, so it’s best to change gear and get back on the torque plateau. Turbos and superchargers are here to stay until the ICE is replaced with electric. They allow for a more flexible drive, without thrashing the motor, conformity to emissions regulations but not necessarily a better engine or experience. which do I prefer? let’s look at the cars on the drive here GSF, S2000, gt86, 993 3.8, 968CS, dolly sprint notice the trend........

Think you must be driving the wrong turbo cars. Personally I have to agree with @Flytvr, my last 3 daily drivers - GSF, ISF and M5 v10 you have/had to rev the nuts of them to make them move. A colleague in the same period has had an A45, RS3 and the new RS5. All turbos. The all 3 would leave all of my cars for dead unless you were really on it, high up the Rev range. And their turbo motors certainly didn’t / don’t run out of breath at 4000rpm. All 3 pull/ed hard to the red line. The RS5 is laugh out loud fast. I like the idea of the IS500. Sneaky, proper Q car. It’ll be a s quick as the current F cars, someone said without the f brakes - I think not. 480hp and the best part of 2 tonne with “std” brakes pull the other one. As for an new potential F range - where are they going to pitch the power levels 550? 600??hp more??? The rs5/m/AMG HP War is crazy - the cars are becoming muscle bound, too heavy, too complex and hence dynamically numb. I hope that Lexus don’t join in the battle, but put a competitive, well thought out and built alternative, and a bit quirky to the anodyne germans.

Another 👍 for EBC redstuff here. As said above no noticeable change in performance, but much less dust. only 👎 is they don’t come with sensors. When I priced them at Lexus they were ££££. I changed mine as the pad was starting to wear the sensor. At about 2mm thickness, and reused them.

Like it. Seats look fantastic. Interesting to see that Lexus have remained with the RCF / GSF 5 litre v8. Instead of downsizing the lump sticking a couple of turbos on it and a hybrid motor. Time will tell if it’s imported into the Uk. Size and power wise it’s on par (maybe slightly under) with the new M3 and C63. As it’s not branded as a “F” maybe they’ll price it a little cheaper and target the M340 / C43 / S4 segment

Like bambi.

Great from the back, just shut your eyes when you walk past the front..... Liked a drink. Liked a trip to the local dealers, fortunately had a warranty. Was the reason I bought a Lexus. But was bloody epic to drive. Off the mark not that quick but once on it absolutely flew. And the sound 😍

Absolutely love that, and the colour is spot on. Can’t wait to see the next instalment and the finished article! Can never understand why BMW never did a M3 estate until now, Merc and Audi always did well with AMG c-class and the RS4 avant. Had a M5 e61 estate as a daily a few years back, and loved it apart from its homing device to the service dept at the local dealers. Must admit the thought of the new M3 estate, with a manual box, if you can get one, is very tempting.

In white not that much, however in black at least £80k!!

Just as they are. The change would be to benefit on the winter tyres. But as we can’t go anywhere, (and likely to get worse from tonight) don’t think I’m going to bother

Ran 10x19 et38 linea corse lc818 all square set up with 255/35 19 winters on my ISF. No rubbing, catching or problems with wheel arches still have them - wondering if they’ll fit the GSF....

I had my ISF for 2 1/2 years and it’s coming up to 2 years I’ve had the GSF. For my daily, I normally have ichy feet at 12 months and at 18 months there’s something new on the drive. The ISF only went as a GSF came up in the colour combo I wanted. I’ve been really happy with both cars. Yes I’m always thinking of something to change to, both the kids drive, and flying the nest. We have another family car for the times they might come with us and for the durgs, so I don’t need a big saloon any more. But I’m struggling with what to get. I’ve got a 3.8 L chainsaw that you can scare the living daylights out of yourself if you’re in the mood, so don’t need the thrill. Not keen on any of the German wannabe leasetastic offerings - except the new RS6, or possibly a M2 CS. Both very different, but not sure I want to commit the (significantly more) cash at the moment. So for the time being the GSF is staying, unless something comes along that really turns my head....... suggestions on a postcard to.....

Paul lets get this out the way, and I prepare to be shot down in flames. They’re not sports cars. Your 911 is. And probably the pick of the 996’s. What the GSF and RCF are quick, comfortable, highly effective, reliable, well built GT’s. Both are more than capable of eating up the miles with ease. Ive got a GSF and you can really hustle it down the lanes, the TVD making it feel like a much smaller car. But you never loose the fact that it’s a big old bus. pre covid every 6 weeks or so I’d travel to Inverness, if the weather was OK I’d take the GSF. Never a problem covers the ground quickly and effortlessly, seats are brilliant, extremely supportive and comfortable, drive is easy and not tiring, and good to thrash down the A68 once over the border on the way back.... I’ve had 911’s for 20 or so years, as daily and now a fair weather car, but still love the GSF, very different, they are a special thing. you really need to try one or the other, and not just round the block either. Take it for an extended run as you’ll not get it straight away, they take a while to get under your skin. your problem may be finding a gsf. RCFs are a little more common.

Bit like this then.......,,

Just bought front and rears for my GSF. £67 a corner from the same place. Thought they were worth a punt at that. Rears will need changing in the not too distant future. Will probably use EBC reds, to match the fronts which have been spot on, 5000 miles in.

How much petrol is in the car. Have noticed on mine if the fuel level is very low (usually when my wife has been using it, as she’s allergic to filling stations) the fuel pump is quite vocal. Once re-fuelled the noise disappears.

Salvage Blue with red leather on Facebook at the end of September.

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I be needing discs soon - could you let me know where you got the F+R discs from for £330? thanks!

https://www.rr-racing.com/Radiator-Transmission-Cooler-Package-for-Lexus-ISF-p/isfradpck1.htm Like this !!

Great cars - and a great choice of road. (A686) Went over the tops a couple of weeks ago for the first time in ages and thoroughly enjoyed the scenery and lack of traffic. ISF is very different to the anodyne German hot hatch offerings, in the initial lack of torque, top end power delivery, noise, character, Reliability and almost Zero depreciation (mine was) and bank vault build quality....... enjoy your time with it - and post some of the photos of your 2002!!

I don’t think any of us have really driven anywhere of note since the beginning of lockdown. Certainly not for the hell of it. I ventured out yesterday and filled my GSF for the first time since the middle of March just before the madness began. It’s guzzled a tank of petrol just pottering to the local supermarket and back, a couple of times a week. hopefully now with the easing of social distancing restrictions, it’ll be time for a run out to a favourite country hostelry for a glass of non alcoholic lager, a bite to eat, and an Italian tune up (up to the single carriageway maximum of 60mph obviously) on the way there and depending on willpower maybe the way back too, if not I’ll be more than happy to relax in the passenger seat. Keep it if you can OP, and enjoy it, if not you’ve had one, and you can always get another if you feel the need!

PCP - work well if you keep the car for the contracted time, and within the mileage limits agreed. End early, go over mileage - you’ll pay for the privilege, handsomely. My advice if you want to go PCP, would be put as little as you can in the deal as a deposit, and take the burn on the monthly payments. But you must remember that you have to save for the deposit on your next car too. In general, Gone are the days where you’ll have cash in the car at the end of term. Personally, I’d look at buying the car outright, using a personal loan, over a longer term. Interest rates will be more favourable, you can still get out at any time, and you’ll find at times, say 2 or 3 years into the agreement you’ll have more in the car than if you PCP’d it.

Eurocarparts sell Brembo discs and pads F+R for the ISF. Different to the GSF and RCF.