Martin J

After 6 months with the brilliant EV6 AWD, I'm not tempted back to the Lexus by the RZ. I'm sure the quality will be great, but the range, charging speed and performance are unexciting, and it won't be great value. As others have noted, EVs are redefining the meaning of "premium". Kia themselves are grappling with this; in the EV6 they've turned out a car that, in quality and driving experience, is world class, if not world-leading. Which, Stinger apart, is not (yet) true of the rest of their range.

Yes, thanks, fabulous drive with great ride/handling compromise and what I can only imagine are RC-F levels of acceleration (up to 70, anyway). First 600 mile trip averaged 3.7 miles/kWh, with 290 mile range. The app for remote control of the car is not so great, but hopefully that will improve. I imagine Lexus will Lexify the Toyota bZ4x at some point, but it'll have to be really special to better the EV6.

I see no evidence for this on that forum, apart from some speculation and misunderstanding about whether heat pumps can be dealer fitted. They can't, as far as I know (have you seen how complex the plumbing is?). It's possible that some customers may have opted to forego heat pumps to hasten delivery times. Kia UK secured a lot of build slots of RWD cars without heat pumps, which is why AWD and HP customers are having to wait longer now. Fortunately I pre-ordered in May & got an early build slot.

Not so far. Only 12V battery I've had to replace was in my NX (a side effect of the first lockdown).

Can you provide a source for this?

Service intervals of 20,000 miles/2 years are an improvement on most ICE/hybrid cars.

My thinking was along these lines: 1. The EV6 is much better-looking, especially in the metal. In fact I think it's one of the best designs on the market. Realise that's subjective! 2. Too many build quality/quality control problems in the Model 3 to ignore. EV6 has flawless paint and Lexus-like panel gaps; & no delivery issues (touch wood). Realise that Tesla supposedly improving. 3. Don't like the Model 3/Y control ergonomics - too much controlled through the touch screen (okay in the showroom, not so good on lane 3 of the M1 in heavy spray at 70 mph) and speedo too far from line of sight. 4. EV6 800V architecture means faster charging than Model 3/Y (though admittedly not many 350kW chargers around yet; banking on that improving). 5. A local dealer to deal with rather than remote Tesla service. 6. Better driving position (for me) than Model 3 (haven't seen a Y) and hatchback practicality. 7. Similar performance and range (M3 LR has longer WLTP range but in most tests Kia have come closer to achieving WLTP range). Ultimately the only area where Tesla had a clear lead was the Supercharger network, and it wasn't enough. On price, no discounts on EV6 (Kia are building a long waiting list) but similar price to M3, and cheaper than comparably equipped Model Y.

Yes, I think it's a better-resolved design than the Ioniq5. It's great to drive, though I'm still getting used to it.

Thanks. Yes, this is an AWD. Very good ride and handling, and astonishing acceleration (I see one road test says 4.8 sec to 60, though I'm still treating it gently).

Thanks, still early days, haven't recharged yet. So far, impressed by the ride quality and handling, and the extraordinary acceleration. Motorway wind and road noise is about the same as my NX. There are a few finishes which aren't up to Lexus quality, but overall build quality is on a par, and much better than I'd expected.

Well, the NX's replacement has arrived. Just a word of thanks to fellow forum members for the invaluable advice and discussion during the years I had my NX. I can well imagine returning to Lexus when it has a wider range of EVs. By the way, I was pleasantly surprised by the strong residual value of my 2015 NX.

Well, you won't be alone if you do. I'm sad to be leaving Lexus, but the EV6 represents the boldness Lexus had when they brought the RX400h to market 15 years ago. For me the 2nd generation plug-in NX is too little, too late, and too expensive in terms of electrification, and I wonder what its resale values will be like in 5 to 10 years' time.

I've driven facelift cars (as loan cars) and would agree with this. The slightly improved ride and reduced noise was noticeable when I first jumped out of my car into a facelift. But soon afterward I fitted new tyres (Michelin CrossClimates), which delivered an almost identical improvement in NVH, so there's not much in it.

That's pretty much what I'd estimated. In contrast, an EV6 GT-Line AWD dual motor is £49K, and accelerates to 100km/h a second faster than the NX450h+, not that that matters much. Like Peter, I'd planned that my next car would be fully electric. Had the new NX not been such an aesthetic disappointment (and yes, I'm aware that other members seem to like it, but my sense of lost opportunity is undiminished), I might have considered the PHEV version as an interim step. But I like to keep cars for at least 6 years, so I'd prefer to go electric sooner rather than later. After looking closely at the Model 3 and weighing up the build quality lottery against the supercharger network, the launch of the EV6 with its beautiful surfacing, well-resolved design and advanced 800V electric architecture resolved any doubts. So I've ordered an EV6. I'll miss Lexus - the brand is mostly a great fit with what I want from a car - but perhaps I'll be back when they have a state-of-the-art compact BEV for the next stage in my automotive journey.

The higher resolution images we now have of the 2022 NX reinforce my disappointment that the design isn't more radical. I know it's on a completely new platform, but it looks like an alternative finalist in an internal competition to sign off the production version of the original back in 2012. In my opinion it lacks the coherence of Nobuyuki Tomatsu's original design, and the interior, with its awkwardly integrated touchscreen and slab of featureless grey on the passenger side, destroys the distinctive cockpit ambience of the first generation while not looking significantly more modern. Setting aside the question of why there is as yet no BEV version (presumably there will be a Lexus version of Toyota's bZ4X in due course), it's frustrating that Lexus has given us the gorgeous LF-Z and then told us that it represents the style and aspirations for *2025*, while serving up a highly conservative re-hash of the existing NX on the TNGA platform to be going on with. I have no doubt that the new NX will be a great car in terms of driving and ownership experience, and a step forward in performance and fuel economy, but it's nowhere near as innovative or exciting as the first generation seemed in 2014. When companies like Kia and Hyundai are already offering NX-class BEV designs now that look far more modern, Lexus is starting to look somewhat behind the curve.