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£580 for a service!! Are people just accepting these prices these days.....the OEM cost of the oil/filter will be less than £100.

Because its not needed and there is nothing to 'service'? The traction battery in our EV had done 65k, its never been 'serviced' and nor is there anything to 'service'. The BMS will tell you if there an error, an annual 'check' isn't going to pick or prevent errors in the traction battery.

All I asked was a very simple question. Even the crazy sub 3 second to 60mph Plaid S/X seems to achieve far better efficiency than the RZ. Normally more performance = worse efficiency. I just don't understand the reason. Lexus has been developing the RZ for years but the drivetrain efficiency is worse than what even Nissan had with the Leaf in 2011. All electric motors are pretty much 95%, battery packs should have very similar internal resistance, and aerodynamics is very well understood by everyone. So what's Lexus getting wrong?

Warm weather, slow speeds, 3.1 miles per kWh is awful efficiency!! Our soon to be 7 year old Model X will get close to 4 miles per kWh at 60mph with no HVAC running. At 70 miles it'll return 3 miles per kWh. Why is the RZ so inefficient?

My old N54 335i BMW use to dump oil on the garage floor for no reason. Injectors failed regularly, turbos were always ropey. That engine needed oil changes, and lots of it. But that was because it was tunned to run at 380whp (so over 400bhp at the crank) on a very aggressive timing, and even with addtional cooling would go into 'limp mode' due to overheating after consistent WOT runs. The IS300H is a different matter, I cannot remember we went WOT in it. The IS300H simply is far less stressed. We've owned the IS from new, and at 8 years old it's given zero issues and I suspect it'll still be going strong at 18 years old even if I stopped doing any oil changes!!

I have to say MOTs are simply no issues in our IS300H. I've gone to 2 yearly oil changes in ours, the oil level never changes. Still on original 12V battery even at coming up to 9 years old!! The other day my wife got worried as she heard an 'odd noise' when cornering, turned out the tire inflator kept in the boot had come loose from the holding strap and was rolling around in the boot :).

So we seem to be finally getting some facts versus fiction. Are we all now in agreement there is essentially NO hydrogen fuel cell 'roll out' in the UK. In which case what is the point of hydrogen fuel cell cars in the UK?

Does she have a hydrogen fuel cell car? How is the hydrogen fuel station roll out going where you live?

....and that's what I'm trying to understand. How is it going 6 months into 2023. Apparently the number of Hydrogen fuel stations in the UK is going DOWN not up, so more regression than rollout.

So there aren't 1000s of hydrogen fuel stations around, and only 5?

Do you mean the bit about how hydrogen refueling is about to go mass market but the only real life data says the opposite....ie number of hydrogen fuel stations in the UK is going down not up? It is really confusing because both cannot be true at the same time. Either real life is fiction or fiction is reality?

Great to hear but when is it happening? I still haven't found a single hydrogen fuel station near me, but I understand there are over 1000+ around? The only stuff on the Internet I've found says the number of hydrogen fuel stations in the UK has gone DOWN this year to 5.... English isn't my first language so maybe I've misunderstood what 'soon' means?

Our EV is 7 years old in 2024 which is next year. At 65k miles there is 5% degredation on the battery. The suspension parts on the car will need replacing before the battery.

Its not the guillotine that's changing the world its the mobile phone. Everyone can now see how 'privileged' we are living in Europe. Burning through resources with no care in the world. The majority of the people on this planet would do anything to have what all of us have, the migration 'issue' in Europe is the realisation on a global scale how so few are living a life off the back of the many, and why that has to change. But lucky for us Europe, US, China, Russia etc have enough military deterrents to keep the status quo.....for now. If global equity and climate change is your main aims in life, than I'm really not sure what your are doing on a car forum, and even less relevant is any thoughts about hydrogen. The difference between the poorest and richest countries in the world grows larger every day, it will bubble over one day, as 7 billon people realise the only difference between those who have and haven't just happens to be where you are born, and how unfair that is. We get to 'debate' about hydrogen whilst billions dont even have access to fresh water, is that right? Shouldn't that be a call for a global revolution??...However again, am not sure how hydrogen fuel cell cars have any impact of the real issues facing humanity?

When do we think we'll hit say 10 hydrogen fuel stations in the UK if the current number is 5......end of 2023? It really cannot be that hard to install 5 stations in 6 months?

Isn't this thread about hydrogen fuel station roll out?? It appears the number of UK hydrogen fuel station is going DOWN, not up?? Can any of our hydrogen fuel cell car owners confirm this or is this just 'fake news'?? According to some there are now just FIVE hydrogen fuel stations in the UK, where as I thought the forum members on here suggest there was 1000+??? https://innovationorigins.com/en/first-shell-now-motive-hydrogen-fuel-station-closures-continue-in-the-uk/ https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/transport/exclusive-shell-has-quietly-closed-down-all-its-hydrogen-filling-stations-in-the-uk/2-1-1335049 Meanwhile earlier this year a 42 charge point hub opened at Oxford, and construction has now started on a hub at Exeter services that can charge 57 EVs at once. I'm really struggling to tell the difference between fact and fiction these days, because the commentary by our hydrogen experts on here seem to suggest EVs are dead and hydrogen is the answer, but IRL information doesn't seem to support the commentary? Any one know the real FACTs here?

It's our lifestyles which is the cause of climate change, but how many of us are actually willing to change our lifesytles? No more holiday's, no imported foods, certainly no gadgets or new cloths/fashion. Essentially a total move away from 'consumerism'. I for one cannot, so like the residents on Easter Island I'm content in the knowledge when the inevitable end comes I'll be long gone, and most likely anyone I know or care about. Selfish, but its the uncomfortable for the vast majority of people. We are way past little changes, but a reform in lifesytle/aspirations just isn't going to happen.

Actually if you really care abou the environment you should be joining the likes of Rebllion Exctinction. We DONT need ANY NEW cars of any kind, ALL car companies are the problem not the solution. It doesn't matter what powers a car our obsession with personal 'freedom of transport' is NOT sustainable for the planet. Cars of any kind is the problem. I accept I'm part of the problem and don't pretend to care about that like some on here. The UK is clearly warming up, my answer, we are getting Aircon installed in the house, so creating even more pollution for the planet and worsening climate change.....but at least we'll have Aircon in the house. Don't lobby for hydrogen if you REALLY want to action on climate change, lobby for increased taxation on ALL CARS, road tax, higher corporation tax. Essentially make it so expensive to run ANY car, and force people to use other forms of transport or accept a change in life style. Hydrogen is BP/Shell version of snake oil, its not an answer to anything.

You don't need to worry about the hybrid battery, there is a reason pretty much every private hire vehicle these days is a Toyota hybrid.

Basic GCSE science is no match for the BP/Shell forecourts. Producing and disturbing pure hydrogen compressed to the same pressure as water at the bottom of ocean is so easy you just wait. All those BP/Shell forecourts current selling a liquid fossil fuels that don't react unless exposed to direct heat will be able to handle hydrogen with no issues. According to some there over 1600 hydrogen fuel stations in the UK!!! I'm struggling to understand why no one here owns a hydrogen fuel cell car though, given how easy and freely available hydrogen forecourts are??

The emerging evidence is the opposite, forums tend to gather similar minded people, and even with filtering, to an extent new knowledge/thought process become impossible to form. https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12286

@ShahporDon't forget hydrogen fuel cells cars some how magically have NONE of the 'problems' EVs have...... The fact companies like BP/Shell are still trying to promote hydrogen as the answer to the world's problems proves it. Because we all know how much BP/Shell cares about the planet 🤣. But what do we know, its clearly the rest of the world is full of unenlightened people, and some individuals here have the answer to everything but instead of acting on their knowledge they seem to think a random car forum is the way to change world.........Maybe they know something we don't about power dynamics and global strategy 🤔

We do loads of unnecessary miles in our EV, but not because I believe in tree hugging, but because I have access to FREE charging forever on the current car. Just planning our summer road trip to Italy, on the way back will swing by Stelvio :). I personally didnt buy an EV to be green, I bought one because it let's me run a sub 5 second to 60mph SUV for less money than our IS300H. Why woudlnt you drive it everywhere if you had essentially free fuel :).

You cannot be serious? Or are you? The tires on our 2.5ton EV lasts 20k+ miles. Tires on my old BMW 335i barely made it past 10k, and my only DC2 Integra Type R barely 8k. My last two combustion cars also chewed through brake pads+discs every 15k or so, the EV has needed only one set of new pads+discs in over 65k miles.

The best point about the article is recognition that ALL CARS are the problem, regardless of how they are powered. We returned from our half term holiday from Scotland this weekend, it took nearly 9hrs to cover just 330 miles. This wasn't because of our EV, but because there are so many cars are the roads everywhere where even 3/4 Lane Mways became car parks. We ofcourse added to the 'problem', was there a real 'need' for us to travel to Scotland for a holiday - ofcourse not. But with personal transportation so cheap why wouldn't you?? The real irony is Scotland was experiencing unusually warm weather - 24 degrees. But instead of thinking, maybe we are contributing to global warning with unnecessary travel, my thought was - If Scotland warmed up, it would be a great holiday destination all year round!!! The answer to the 'problem' of EVs, is actually very clear, cheap personal transportation is simply not sustainable in anyway or form. But as long as we all have air con and our own homes don't get flooded, most us really don't care enough to modify our behaviour.