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If we all stop breathing that will reduce carbon emissions..

carbon neutral - net zero..!!

more b***** lets add more smart lanes to kill off more people while at it - that should reduce traffic

The way I look at it is that why are Governments hell bent on getting everyone to buy EVs... there is something else going on here and it’s not for saving the planet - I agree that EVs can be a very useful tool in say busy urban environments an example is Japan, I was there twice - really awesome country and if you visit Tokyo and Bangkok which I have been to about a dozen times and compare the difference- both are huge metropolitan areas and I was astounded by how clean the air in Tokyo is, and this was about 6 years ago since I have been there - they don’t have nasty diesel **** choking the people (common sense here goes along way) and use EVs for light goods vehicles etc so the air is very clean, much more so than Bangkok or even London. But what I am seeing is entirely different, it’s not just city dwellers its everyone and that simply will not work to save the planet from falling apart, which I think it’s nonsense. We are told of these catastrophic events going on in the weather but they occur all the time - it’s just that previously we were not having this scaremongering fed into our brains 24,7 with news feeds and twitter telling us we are doomed. I am quite fortunate to have travelled over much of the world, aside from the Americas that is but in Australia in 2002 sticks out for a few reasons - 1 it was the world cup year in Japan / S.Korea and 2 - the weather in Melbourne I think it was February or so and it was almost 50C - not sweltering, more like life threatening but Aussies get weather like that pretty much every year - bush fires, hot weather and parts of Queensland have had no rain for years - it’s the way that continent works - then in Europe we get bush fires etc all over the med quite frequently, as happens in California - earth quakes and tsunamis have been going on since mankind set food on the planet. So, these events are nothing new but for social media you wouldn’t even be aware that anything was going on - heck you wouldn’t even know that over the last 2 years a virus was wiping out humanity, moving to a 100% EV society won’t work as the by-product of EVs is lithium batteries - nasty, I have personally developed products with these as I am an Electronic Engineer, I also visited huge battery facilities all over China and S. Korea. Mining billions of Lithium batteries for cobalt which itself is cancerous and other elements will be dreadful for the planet - and without totally banning fossil fuels then EVs themselves will be never carbon neutral - another buzz word that Politician’s and these experts are using for the sales pitch - actually to get carbon neutral you would have to stop breathing but I don’t think Governments will go that low I think Governments have huge deals with auto manufacturers, in fact I am more than sure - I can think of no other reason why they are so anxious to ban sales of combustion cars and get everyone to purchase EVs that let’s face it - nobody wants - also what sets off red flags is that there was no public vote on this - it just happened, very similar to COVID actually - the ID schemes rolled across Europe etc happened it seems overnight - hence the protests that have occurred. Modern petrol cars have very low emissions anyway, so banning them for 2030 and beyond makes zero sense. The only beneficiaries of an EV society will be 1. Governments - EV cars in 2030 will be basically all digital, so location, control of speed, ID of owner etc will all be much easier to accomplish - ie the driver will be basically under restrictions all the time - a black box as it were 2. Auto manufacturers - EVs will not be cars that can be repaired at home - manufacturers will be floating in money - battery packs will be expensive enough to write off a car itself 3. Banks - Almost all EVs will be leased out due to the expense - so win win for the banks

People are falling hook, line and sinker unfortunately.

Reiterating what I already said is not making you any more clever, I already said that used ones will be available, you somehow seem oblivious to the draconian future that awaits us, you probably believe everything you read by 'scientists'.

you are missing the point here eh? petrol cars are getting banned -- does it not compute or something? you sure can get a petrol car in 2025 as can I but most likely they will be expensive as sought after models will be in demand but after 2030 none are forecast to be made, Japan is planning to stop making petrol cars in 2035. Affording to run it might go back to a cheese and wine conversion

not helped by mindless fools hoarding

just stating it, you would think that petrol hikes were a thing of amazement but they occur all the times, mostly associated with dips in the stock exchange - what stocks have to do with crude oil is another thing.

Anyone with a brain can see the mindless drive to a 100% EV society is doomed to failure but politicaints are only interested in $$$$. They dont have the tax payer in mind and never did, remember when they said diesel was good? I ignored them when I could hear and see the stink that disel cars were letting off and bought a Lexus, then a Mercedes V8, then my Subaru... all sweet petrol cars and if you were to compare a modern petrol car to a EV car over say 5 years there would not be much difference between them on a emissions point of view - the tail pipe emissions of the petrol car would be competing with fossil fuel from the EV each times its charged up as well as the fossil fuels involved in all the lithium mining and manufacture of the vehicle itself which is why petrol cars in the UK contribute nil towards total greenhouse gases worldwide.. well its not nil, its around 0.000002 percent or so Toyoda San is the president of the Japanese auto manufacturers association and he had this to say Electric cars, Mr. Toyoda pointed out, are only as clean as the electricity that powers them and the factories where they are built. Japan, Toyota’s second-biggest market, plans to go carbon neutral by 2050, but as long as it continues to rely on fossil fuels to generate electricity, he said, the vehicles’ environmental benefits will remain a mirage. Japanese automakers are “hanging on by their fingernails,” he added, and if Japan mandated a shift to all-electric vehicles — which have fewer components and are easier to manufacture — it could cost millions of jobs and destroy a whole ecosystem of auto parts suppliers.

A used one, certainly not a nice reliable V6

Oil companies are very quick to hike up costs however, if tides were turned and two weeks from now Putin offered an olive branch to the world and everyone is living happily ever after - do you think petrol will magically drop down to £1.3/Litre...

From what I can see they are forced upon people, it's getting gradually more and more of a challenge to run a petrol car, it's no coincidence that Government's want all EVs by 2030, that aligns perfectly with the UNECE sustainable development manifesto. In case you weren't aware the sale of perfectly normal combustion engine cars are banned then

the thing is they are literally forced upon everyone

A cybnic would say its the UNECE 2030 mainfesto playing out - the drive to get rid of combustion cars Have you noticed all these 'green zones' appearting in cities in England it seems each week, they are gradually making it impossible to drive a normal car -- roads cut in half to make way for bikes - in 2030 its entirely fesilbe that the plan will have worked, EVs will give governments more authority and control.

I put in 35.43L, @ £1.639/L. Its amazing that with the slightest incident going on that petrol is increased, I am pretty sure that what is going on in the west has no significant impact to where Shell or BP source petroleium but if you threw rotten eggs at their HQ they would probably use that as an escusre to raise prices too - if the roles were reversed and there was nothing going on do you think they would drop prices back to £1.4/L for 99RON fuel so quickly

1 pound gets you a mars bar ..and crisps.. Oh wait it doesn't

Can't fix stupid

I think the conspiracy theories might be into something myself, I am the type of person with an unbiased opinion of everything, I always use my own sense to make judgements of what's going on and over the last few years I'm getting a lot of red flags If you look at sales and revenue figures from pharmaceutical companies and automotive companies from say 2015 to 2025, my bet is that there is a sky high trajectory from around 2019 to the present time and over the next few years.. which is what we are seeing right now. I don't think government's are filling us in on the finer details here, anyone who thinks that EVs are used for the environment couldn't be more wrong, but people are not having the same unbiased opinion as myself and are listening to mainstream media and governments, my suspicion is that government's have trillion dollar agreement's with auto manufacturers to roll out EVs for the 2030 UNECE sustainable development plan but it's not for the environment.. it's for Identity and control of people. 30 million EVs are forecast to be sold worldwide in 2030, so over next five years around 250 billion lithium batteries will be required, definitely not good for the environment, that's excluding all the fossil fuels required to charge these tens of millions of electronic cars or manufacturing of them. Note how I said electronic as that's key here, they will have long gone past the stage of having spark plugs and throttle bodies then. Global blacklisting of perfectly normal and reliable combustion engine cars makes no sense, in the UK such cars contribute around 0.00003 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, on the other hand 20 or so companies are responsible for over a third of greenhouse gas emissions but are untouchable.

Shell and BP have posted record revenue, what's happening in the east is not impacting them much but gives another easy route to make profits even better

What wrong with people, even if fuel hits record levels what is the point rushing to get fuel, what are the actually trying to achieve as the fuel will still be expensive the next day or two weeks later.

Idiots hoarding again, My Subaru will be getting a cheese and wine conversion soon, my last tank Feb 8th was 86.39 for v power, now past the half way mark.

I just filled up my Subaru, £86.39 V power Yikes, that must be the most expensive ever This climate change is totalitarian bull, the only crisis is the one spoon fed to peoples brains by Governments - Social media getting used as a great tool for them. Shell and BP posting over 20Billion profit in recent reports

Well that defeats the point then does it - why is the unit dead from a battery change - seems you are ok with this?

Would be great if Lexus knew this rather than charging a 4 figure sum to get it going?!