dutchie01, you're right. Advancements in chassis and suspension development have come on leaps and bounds over the years. Take your FWD 250hp Volvo, for example. Also, if I'm not mistaken the Civic Type R is FWD and there is seriously nothing wrong with that. I think too many people get hung up on RWD or a car having too little hp. The ES, I believe, isn't designed to be a 5 Series slayer, its raison detra is to deliver a smooth, efficient drive in comfort with enough power to make reasonable progress. I've driven the ES for 2 hours on a mix of dual carriageways, single carriage A roads and town driving and it's very nice. Much smoother, quieter and more grunt than my 2018 NX - maybe not surprising - plus a real world mid 50's to the gallon on a car with only a 1000 miles on the clock and in cold weather, too. For me, it's spot on (bar lack of CarPlay) and with enough gadgets to entertain me. I'm absolutely fine with it not being for everyone for many, many reasons but some people just continue droning on - it's boring.