Bluesman

That was written a long time ago. I pay 50p a litre for LPG and petrol is £1-29 a litre, nowhere near the prices written in that report. The write up has the feel of a garage that is not getting the work any longer. There are still manufacturers out there happily producing dual fuel cars. When I first decided to get a car converted to LPG I heard all the experts mainly in pubs saying, it will wreck your engine, you will never get your money back, it will always go wrong, the government will up the price of lpg by loading it with as much tax as petrol and many more as well. 18 or so years later that 1996 Mercedes Estate 200 which a friend of mine now owns still running coming close to 300,000 miles on the clock on the same engine (no rebuild) same gearbox etc. So I will go with the info that I have learnt over the years and the evidence that I have seen and experienced with my own eyes.

LPG runs at a lower temp than petrol. I don't know of any engine that has been wrecked because of the use of LPG without flashlube. I have run German, English, Sweedish, American over 16 years on my cars and my wifes cars I also know of several friends cars who have also run on LPG with no flashlube and not a single one of them has ever come to grief.

For that to make a proper example about how one is better than the other is to have measured the valve seats at the time the LPG install was done and this wasn't so the figures are meaningless.

Your local installer is talking rubbish and trying to get an extra £100 for no good reason at all.

Because to use unleaded petrol you need hardened valve seats and this is also needed for LPG use.

If your vehicle runs on unleaded fuel then there is no need for flashlube and any installer who tries to sell you one is untrustworthy.

Good old LPG, the site says "No Charge" Not that I ever want to go to London.

I have just read on AOL news that the 3 of them have also been told no more Grand Tours.

I had my brakes serviced a couple of weeks ago. All discs and pads were changed and with fitting £538. The old discs had done 170,000 and the pads had done 70,000 miles. so no complaints there, and what a difference it has made to the braking system.

Keep it friendly. You can have a discussion between forum members without lowering the tone of your posts to include insults and just because you don't agree with anothers ideas and mindset.

Hi Dominic and welcome to the forum. We always like to see pictures of your treasure. Hope you get all you need from the forum.

I wonder how many other car makers that would be happy to give a full warranty on a car with 100,000 miles on it.

Hi Herbie, I was replying to ScottC who said "No that is completely wrong" I was pointing out to him that I was correct and providing him with text from the experts at Go-LPG.

That's all settled then, Thanks to Go-LPG for their expert knowledge.

From http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/Do_I.html Do I have to start my car on Petrol? It is a good idea to always run your engine up to full temperature on Petrol for at least these reasons - Vaporiser freezing If you have an LPG system that will allow you to select LPG only (including cold starting) this can be asking for trouble, especially on damp days or during the winter months (or both). The vaporiser may freeze up in seconds if it is not being heated by engine coolant. It is much better to start on Petrol, avoiding any vaporiser icing problems. Switch over to LPG when the engine is fully up to temp. Stick to this and avoid a lot of potential problems! (This effect is more fully described in the item 'Will there be any difference in performance after conversion') If you start up from cold on gas, the vaporiser is not being heated by engine coolant. There is a refrigerating effect as the gas within it vapourises. It will freeze up and stick, possibly causing weak mixture backfiring or gas leakage. If you run the engine up to temp. on petrol before switching over to gas this cannot occur as the engine coolant will already be hot. Don't be fooled into thinking that the air is too warm for freezing to occur, outside temperatures do not have to be down to freezing level for this to happen. The vapouriser may freeze at temperatures up to + 25 degrees Centigrade, especially if the air is very damp.. Care for your petrol injectors To put this into context, here's a little analogy - After cutting hedges, a wise man will clean and oil his garden shears before he puts them away. They will not rust or lose their edge whilst in the shed. They will be ready for the next use, whenever that may be. A few cases of partially blocked petrol injectors in dual - fuel vehicles have encouraged us to investigate and find the cause. The problem seems to occur mostly with larger engined cars that have covered a lot of miles before LPG conversion. Later, after running the car on LPG almost exclusively (as you would!) owners have found that petrol operation has become erratic and in one case the vehicle was practically undrivable on petrol, although it ran perfectly on LPG. Much examination showed that the injectors were blocked to the extent that their spray pattern was seriously affected. A miraculous improvement was afforded by the addition of a good quality injector cleaner to the petrol, followed by a few miles of petrol driving. It appears that a car that has done a lot of miles (and maybe not had its injectors cleaned as often as it might) will have a 'skin' of carbon deposited on the injector heads. Whilst making no immediate difference when running on petrol (of course, all injectors will eventually become blocked if they are not cleaned) this coating can expand and harden when running the engine on LPG. Leaving your petrol injectors dirty and redundant for long periods is likely to cause problems later. The problem is by no means sure to occur in any particular type of injector, vehicle or engine and the incidence is quite low (in the order of 1% of converted vehicles) but prevention is always better than cure. OK, we are lucky enough to have our vehicles converted to run on a much less expensive fuel, but we still rely on petrol as a back - up. We want it to work when we do have to use it. To avoid problems altogether, there is a simple and inexpensive measure you can take right now! Add an injector cleaner to your next tank of petrol (STP, Wynn's and other good brands are recommended) and your injectors will be cleaned up every time petrol is selected. If you are in the good habit of starting up on petrol and running the engine up to temp. before switching over to LPG, you will be preventing this problem from occurring. If you have an LPG system that will not switch over until a pre-determined temp. has been reached, you won't even have to give it a thought! Someone suggested that the addition of injector cleaner to petrol is a 'hidden' cost of LPG use, one ignored by the conversion industry........ But injector cleaner is designed for use when running on petrol, LPG conversion or not! The best way to avoid both of the above problems is to select the petrol only position on the first start of the day. If you do this you will be cleaning your petrol injectors and ensuring that the vaporiser will not freeze up.

All LPG engines start from cold on petrol and don't switch over to LPG untill engine has reached operating temp.

LPG burns lower than petrol.

I have only ever used the standard plugs without any problem. The answer to your Flashlube system is NO. It's just another way of trying to get another hundred £s or so out of you. If your engine runs on unleaded petrol it will run on LPG with no problems.

Found this and thought you might like to see. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/791437334495968097/

Well done on you becoming a new Mum & Dad and welcome to the forum, I know you will find the forum very informative and friendly.

The best thing you can do is convert to LPG. My cars have run on LPG for the past 20 years with my LS400 which I have had for 12 years converted when I first brought her and she has never missed a beat and so much cheaper to run and so much greener for the world we live in. So you lose a small amount of car boot space, how many times do you run around with your boot full. Convert you know it makes sense.

LPG your LS you know it makes sense.

Top Gear about as exciting as watching stainless steel rot. Scrap it and start with a clean sheet of paper. Everything has its sell-by date and TG is way past its, of course, that doesn't apply to Lexus cars especially LS400/+

Well done. Mine passed last week 171K. The garage where my car is MOTd and serviced said he doesn't know why he doesn't just give me a certificate without going through all the test as he knows it will always pass. We have had 12 loving years with Lexi and looking forward too many more.

Recorded it watched it later for 5 mins, found it infantile and tedious to waste any more of my life on it. Why do they insist on having a washed-up American actor as the main presenter because as the world knows already Americans know nothing about cars?