Bluesman

Pete. I am sure you are a great bloke but I am only telling you what my experience with m/c is. This morning I went to the bakers, 5 miles there and 5 miles back. Heavy rain with lots of leaves on the ground as you would expect in the rural setting I live in, there is a stretch of road that used to hold the record for having the longest set of double white lines in the country, speed for the road is 40 all of a sudden there is a m/c 2/3 feet off my rear bumper with his headlights on full beam into my rear view mirror (that's another one of my beefs with m/c why do they ride around with their headlights on full beam?) I was doing 40mph but after a few hundred yards he had had enough of that and over the double white lines he goes and accelerates too a speed high enough to take him and bike into orbit. There has been several deaths of m/cs along this road because of a farm entrance and you have tractors and the milk lorry which always has trouble backing in and out of the entrance all the deaths have happened there and there is all sorts of road signage to warn traffic this is an accident black spot but it made no difference to him/her. I didn't see any other m/cs so that's todays experience of lunatic m/cs. We have had one member of the family killed 3 years ago 25 yrs old on a m/c and it was estimated he hit a tree at 90mph, he was a lovely boy and always a pleasure to be around but when he got on that bike down comes the red mist with the only outcome that shouldn't have been a surprise to any one. Mike.

It didn't actually stop completely untill some 7 years after that article but when ever it finished does not negate how those motorcycle nutters conducted themselves and their machines. As an ex policeman you know that a crime 20 years ago is still a crime today with all the antisocial behavior that goes with it. You only have to read the m/c bloggs and forums that still to this day moan about how heavy handed the police were and the races that they now miss on the roads around our area. As for numbers I wont get into the mine is bigger than your argument, 2000 or 5000, for the local population its murder. I wonder how long car drivers would get away with it turning up in huge numbers and then act like maniacs by showing off and racing around the roads. They still pop up in numbers occasionally but as the Lord Derby is now a B&B with no facilities for bikers they don't hang around long and you can here them long into the distance winding their machines up to almost destruction levels. I am not having a go at you personally but to assume that large majority of bikers are good riders is in what I have experienced is the complete reverse of that. As for your statement "some motorcyclists used to get together and do antisocial stuff. They don't any more." No they have moved 15 miles down the road and do exactly the same there and the residents, council and police are now working hard to get that one shut down to. Mike.

Tim you must live near by to me. I live within a few hundred yards of where we suffered lunatic motorcycle maniacs for years until eventually the police and council managed to get it shut down. I meant to show it to Pete milliepplod but couldn't find it. Mike. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1339237/The-decibel-hell-of-rural-Britain.html

Hi Stuart, The reason I pulled your post was because all you put was a link directly to gumtree with no explanation or description about the link other than the title. The rules which I am sure you have read say as follow... All unauthorised advertising or soliciting will be removed without explanation and without notice. This includes, but is not limited to: Directing members to external websites. Mike.

I think its changed to the 6th Nov. Could be a repo. Mike.

Hi David and welcome to the LOC, we are a friendly bunch and some of us even know how to pull them to bits and put them back together again, with of course the one bolt and washer left over. We recommend you spend a couple of mins looking over the rules of the LOC, we will be asking questions later. http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/terms-conditions/ Regards Mike.

And you Pete. Safe riding & driving. Mike.

Pete I can only repeat what I have already said. Mike.

Its all right Pete I can live with your starry eyed view of motorcyclists its the way of the world. Mike.

On the odd rare occasion and then its was a Police bike. Mike.

You will just have to live with the fact that that's what I think, know and believe just like cyclists who never take any notice of the rules of the road, pavements, signs or traffic signals. Mike.

That's another huge generalisation Mike. An awful lot of motorcyclists ride safely. Pete Pete Its what I see and if you think its "another huge generalisation" I don't apologise, its what I experience. Mike.

They just will not ride defensively. Well done his parents for allowing the video for public use. Mike

Motor cyclists or organ donors as I call them. A member of our family was killed about 3 years ago, they estimate his speed when the tree jumped out in front of him at around 90mph. 25 years old, what a waste. His mother is a shadow of her former self and I doubt she will ever recover from the loss of her son. As for his organs most of them were to badly smashed up to be any good. They will never learn. Mike.

Hi Dave and welcome to the LOC, we are a friendly bunch and some of us even know how to pull them to bits and put them back together again, with of course the one bolt and washer left over. We recommend you spend a couple of mins looking over the rules of the LOC, we will be asking questions later. http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/terms-conditions/ Regards Mike.

Hi Andy and welcome to the LOC, we are a friendly bunch and some of us even know how to pull them to bits and put them back together again, with of course the one bolt and washer left over. We recommend you spend a couple of mins looking over the rules of the LOC, we will be asking questions later. http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/terms-conditions/ Regards Mike.

Well done Steve. Mike.

Money well spent. Mine is being done next spring. Mike.

Should be interesting. Whats the betting he will pull it? Mike.

They didnt get nicknamed Parcelfarce for nothing. Mike.

Looks brilliant, what was the cost of that package? Mike.

Has to be worth a look if you are in the market for one. Pictures are very nice. Mike.

Can you put a picture of the document on with all the nasty figures on? Mike.

Here you go here is a handy little duty calculator http://www.dutycalculator.com/ As Stuart runsgrateasanut says the figure should be around what he has suggested, there has to be a discrepancy in the paper work somewhere. Good luck Mike.

Hi Oz and welcome to the LOC, we are a friendly bunch and some of us even know how to pull them to bits and put them back together again, with of course the one bolt and washer left over. We recommend you spend a couple of mins looking over the rules of the LOC, we will be asking questions later. http://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/terms-conditions/ Regards Mike.