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All very subjective really. Fine if you are cruising up and down the motorway but at 5m + in length, I don’t think the ES lends itself well to daily duties for my commute around Bristol. Parking would be a nightmare. My current daily is an MG4 Trophy. More than fast enough to keep up with the traffic, handles well enough, costs £6.40 to charge up which will give 230 miles and BIK is almost irrelevant. Yes it doesn’t have a premium badge and I am fully aware that EV’s are not for everyone, but it suits my circumstances more than an ES. On another note, lovely fleet of cars you have at your disposal OP

I think it’s more to do with perceived brand image ( as mentioned above ) and also the fact that the ES is only available with one engine. People like choice and if a 2.5l 4 pot FWD hybrid is not the drive train you are looking for, then you are going to look elsewhere. Despite being a Lexus fanboy for many years, I wouldn’t consider one for this reason.

One of the first reviews where the GSF doesn’t compare favourably compared to the RCF.

Fair enough. I’ve had them corrode on both of our IS250s and RX450h. Our 2017 GSF came with silver plastic ones.

I thought that Lexus had moved away from metal valve covers as they corrode and then can’t be removed. I too was disappointed with the quality of the Rz when I saw it in the show room. The paint on the black plastic / trim looked like it had been done with a rattle can and I don’t think I’ve even seen a Lexus which didn’t have gas struts for the bonnet.

I thought the same but maybe it’s because it’s relatively heavy and therefore a similar weight to the RZ, as it’s not a purpose built EV platform ? Still it’s only single motor too so something doesn’t add up.

It would be interesting to know how many RZ450e’s have been sold to customers. I was at a large Toyota Dealership on Friday, collecting a RAV4 Plug in Hybrid for a friend and apparently they had hardly sold any BZ4X’s

A bit of a long shot but do you have the ‘Lexus’ Nextbase front dash cam fitted ? Mine suffered a buzzing noise under similar situations and it turned out to be the big Wi-Fi button on the camera. It stopped when the camera was removed. I wedged a tiny bit of foam in the space around the button and it solved the problem. Mine is currently suffering with a (frustratingly) intermittent metal clanging noise from the right rear passenger seat area. I thought that it was our car booster seats at first but it still happens when they are removed. Nothing in the boot, tools secure, it didn’t happen when the car went in to Lexus for the fuel recall. Extremely frustrating.

Yes I have to agree. Most of the time the sales person has very little knowledge on the cars they are selling and spurt out rubbish information to keep the customer interested. I was told that the new RX500 would have the same 5.0 V8 as our GSF, when we were trying to make a decision between the RX and RZ

Yes I agree. It sounds like a non run of the mill procedure, which they are not interested in.

The Genesis Electrified GV70 needs serious consideration. We have been Lexus customers for 14 years and it was a big decision to buy from another brand. However it’s been fantastic over the 2000 miles we have driven so far. I don’t usual listen to reviews but the majority have been extremely positive about the car. Even Kirk Kreifels who is a Lexus enthusiast rates it highly. No doubt the RZ will be a fantastic car. However if you have any doubts then the Genesis is worth consideration. It’s extremely quick and comfortable, well built with high end materials, charges fast and the range isn’t as sensitive as the Rz when the heating or AC is used. Customer service has been top draw, so far too, and it stands out in the car park.

So sorry to hear this. This is the concern, even if they are not successful driving off with the car, they completely butcher it before leaving 😭. 2 GSF’s now written off… I imagine our insurance premium will go up again with those stats 🙄.

We get a real world range of 200 -220 miles driving no different to how we drove our RX. No effort to try and improve the range or hyper milling etc. AC on full car ( not just driver) and a mix of motorway and town driving. The potential is there to improve on this range but we have no need. We have a charger at home and at one of our business premises, so all very convenient.

You won’t be disappointed with Genesis. Their customer service from pre purchase to after sale has been excellent, with our Electrified GV70. Whether this will last as more cars are purchased, time will tell.

Unfortunately I think they are all susceptible and it’s just a matter of time. Apart from the ones we know about on this forum, I’ve been watching the ones which come and go on AT and the majority all have some signs of delamination. Not the isolated case due to neglect Lexus want you to think it is 😡.

🤞🏾 it stays that way. Mine is a ‘17 plate, so maybe the later ones were manufactured properly.

I know that some people in America are having problems with the trim on their RCFs but I’m not sure about in the UK.

That’s the concern. I doubt that the new parts are made any differently as Lexus refuse to admit they have a problem. Considering there are only around 65 GSFs in the country, you would have thought that they would have been more accommodating, but their customer service is not what it used to be in my opinion. A massive shame indeed.

Thank you @Arnett . I’m sure it will fall on deaf ears , but worth a shot.

After years of constant nagging, Lexus have finally come back with a ‘good will gesture’ offer of £3600 to replace my rear spoiler and centre console and dash trims. Obviously I’m not proceeding with that 😡. Does anyone have the contact details of the head honcho at Lexus? Worth a letter to express my dissatisfaction with the brand I think.

Ah ok. Maybe that will help. It should get the battery to an optimum condition / temperature for faster changing. On our Genesis, you input the charger in to the Sat Nav and it will precondition the battery accordingly. On our MG4 you have to manually activate the preconditioning. I’ve been relatively disappointed with the charging speed at our local 120kw shell recharge station. However Ive consistently achieved up to 148kw at the MFG stations and up to 200kw at Ionity in our Genesis GV70. I’m surprised that the new Gridserve stations are not achieving higher speeds, but they do vary greatly.

Thats disappointing. Did you pre condition the battery? Where there any other cars plugged in to the adjacent / same charger ?

Yes, let’s just say that I didn’t go ahead with the transmission oil change. They tried to justify the cost. Apparently the oil was £90 🙄 and it was very labour intensive. Very disappointing really. They were adamant that as it wasn’t a recommended procedure, the warranty will still cover it, if the transmission went bang. @hockeyedwards I would love to wait around and work from the dealership, but unfortunately it’s not possible, in my line of work. I was lucky enough to be give an LC V8 once by the previous, previous service manager, Raj. He always made a big effort and was fantastic. Unfortunately the dealership has changed hands at least twice in the last few years and all the old school staff have long gone, apart from the host Lisa, who is also fantastic. @Jgtcracer, yes I think they just didn’t want to do the work so priced it accordingly. I usually don’t have a problem paying the main dealer F car tax but £450 doesn’t sit right to me. I might try Cheltenham just for comparison.

Our GSF is currently at Bristol Lexus for its fuel pipe recall ( second attempt) , service and MOT. I arrived yesterday morning to be told that my Service and MOT was not booked in 🤦🏽‍♂️. This was quickly rectified, but my car would need to stay for a couple of days ( no issues there). I asked them to also change the transmission oil and was give the ‘sealed for life’ story, before being hit with a £450 quote. To add salt in the wound, I was given the most basic car they had, when the other costumer who turned up around the same time as myself, walked away with and RX500h as his courtesy car 😡.

That’s a shame about the range. I popped in to Bristol Lexus yesterday whilst I was charging our GV70 across the road. The interior of the RZ450e was very nice, not a combination I would have chosen but I really liked it. The rear leg room was not what I expected given it is a dedicated EV platform. The floor is extremely shallow so your knees sit very high. The finish on the painted wheel arches on the other hand wasn’t very good at all. It had a very orange peel appearance, almost looked like the black plastic was spray painted with a rattle can 🙄. I was informed that it would be a 9 month wait if I ordered now.