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Thanks. I wondered if turning off the attention camera meant I didn’t get extended restart in traffic. I’ll turn the darn thing off. I have asked the dealer why the excess speed warning is in ‘My Settings’ it still defaults. I’m sure the answer will be ‘it is what it is’ Thanks again

John - the grumbles with the system are that despite having My Settings’ you have to set the ‘hold’ function and disable the excess speed bong every time and the driver ‘paying attention camera is too sensitive. I understand these are EU requirements that have to be set every time. As I said, I now have a ‘start procedure’ ! My wife’s Honda is even worse for sensitivity and difficulty in turning down or off so called protection.

John - welcome to early owners club from next week. I seem to currently be the only owner on here - perhaps the others are too busy reading the manual. This is one car you really have to read the flipping manual for - 700 pages for the car and 300+ for the multimedia so lucky it’s a bank holiday. No doubt you have already downloaded both books. It will be good to exchange ranges and good & not so good points. I have found out that the few very minor grumbles I have with the systems are caused by Euro regulations and not Lexus being over cautious. Which and colour have you gone for ?

My discount was for not taking protection - I got the car detailed and ceramic coated inside & out for a guy I used before - cost £ 700

I got the original price so £3k less than list, a spectacular price for my Range Rover and £ 600 discount although shown as an increase in ox value - didn’t have much use for the Japanese Green Tea Set.

Dealer told me today Remote Parking is not, nor will be available. They haven’t installed the necessary hardware. Will now escalate it to Lexus UK. I am finding the range to be better than expected. High speed runs with part time aircon seem to use less battery than indicated or expected. Yesterday I did 43 miles according to the car and Tracker. It was 70% dual carriageway at 70 mph with the aircon set to 17C for about half the time - the range reduced by 48 miles so doing 70mph and 50% aircon used only 5 additional miles of range. On a full charge at say 15 - 20c the range predicts 225 or 185 with aircon so a loss of say 20%. My previous journeys and yesterday’s indicated with 50% aircon and high speed about 10% loss. I may be wrong but I think the range predictions are deliberately pessimistic. As I confirmed in an earlier post, the charge rate of 10% - 80% in less than 30 mins on a 150kw charger is correct so all those reports about taking an hour+ must have been on faulty chargers. I don’t think there will be a larger battery version of the RZ anytime soon, probably a different model. I am expecting them to increase the range by offering a slower single motor version. One thing I meant to try was to run on Range Mode - this restricts to just one motor and turns aircon off and limits speed to 60mph. That would be an indicator of what a single motor version’s range would be. I am biased, but I don’t regret for a moment swapping my Range Rover Velar plug-in for the RZ. I have done almost 700 miles and the car just seems to get better - bongs aside, although I do have a ‘start up procedure’ now ! Good luck making the right decision - my question would be, if not the RZ then what ? The similar size and price Genesis G70 has a reported range of 20 miles more. Whilst the Tesla Model Y has a far greater range and is significantly cheaper do you think that you’ll get the build quality and finish of a RZ. You pays your money …….!

Thanks. I’ll speak to my dealer

You appear to be a fan of Tesla as are a lot of buyers, almost every article I have read praises the range but they have their faults too - poor build quality being the main one. In the 2022 Driver Power satisfaction survey, despite owners being impressed with range and efficiency, 44% of owners (not reviewers) recorded that their car had had a fault, worse than any of the other 28 manufacturers in the survey. Personally, I prefer the conservative and reliable approach from Lexus rather than the build to a price approach - there is a reason Tesla significantly dropped the prices recently. It is a fact that the RZ range is less than a lot of the competition but in other aspects it is better - that said, I have only done 600 miles in the RZ but to date the real range and charge time is nearer to the ‘official’ figures compared to other (admittedly by reviewers) manufacturers.

I had a tracker fitted today. The installer said that as Range Rover had changed the location of the cabling (now requiring a hole to be cut into the tailgate) the thieves were now concentrating their efforts on Fords. He thought Toyota / Lexus now fitted the ‘plates’ and they were available for retrofitting although Toyota / Lexus weren’t making that well known.

Two points - if it’s heating that consumes more power then surely the radiant heaters are far more efficient than blowing hot air. You say Lexus is misleadingly hiding range but the published figures say the battery is almost 72kw but the usable is 64kw How is that hiding ? Not sure why you are on this forum as your only contribution is criticisms.

Not too dissimilar too what I am finding the RZ maybe 10% more. Having the front only a/c on is fine for us. When I looked at the G70 I thought it was similar to the RZ range wise. Glad your enjoying it !

F.A. - what range are you getting for fast driving with the air on on ?

Good luck with the Genesis. I kept going back to look at a GV70 but decided to stick with the Lexus. Mostly as the true range on the GV70 was only about 20 miles more, the lack of dealerships IF something goes wrong (I wasn’t confident in their assurances about collecting / dropping off and then also the battery warranty covering degradation above 30% and not 10% like Lexus. I doubt I’ll keep the car for 10 years but the degradation could occur in the early years. That said, with 30% degradation the GV60 would still be about the same as the RZ ! I use this site - if you haven’t seen it before have a look at the GV60 figures - https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1647/Genesis-GV60-Premium

It was about 45 and 195 with only the ‘concierge’ aircon on. I think a lot of the reviews are inaccurate as the reviewers rarely delve into the owners manual and so miss what Lexus have done to minimise the effects of the aircon & heating. You can set the aircon to only cool front occupied seats - no passenger then it senses that and only the driver is heated / cooled. The seats heating / ventilating doesn’t seem to effect the range and there is the Climate Concierge which heats / cools to reflect the interior and outside temperatures rather than setting a temperature - I think all the reviews that say 150 miles range have the aircon / heating on full blast which does definitely reduce the range by about 40 miles - as other EV’s. The temperature today was about 17C and the ‘concierge’ seemed to keep it reasonably cool without dragging the range down too much.

See photo - I was at about 20% and went on a 150kw charger. It ramped up to 140Kw and took it to 82% in less than 30 mins so as per brochure.

I have my car insured by NFU (you get the replacement cost of a new car for 2 years after purchase from new). I had a 2 year old RR Velar, they said as I was an existing customer they would renew it in November but warned it was going to be very expensive. For new customers they refuse to insure any Land Rover Range Rovers unless they are older than 5 years. I was discussing my switch to a RZ450e and they had no problem to insure that but said RX’s are getting up there with RR’s for theft. To insure the Velar it had to have a S5 tracker, the RZ doesn’t have to have one, when I told them I am having one fitted the price remained the same.

If anyone is thinking going full EV and has deep pockets I suspect there will be RZ 450e’s available as people who ordered without a test drive or car range may be cancelling. The demo at my dealers turned up on the same ship as my car.

According to WLTP tests 18” is 4.3 m/Kw and 3.8 m/Kw with 20” in perfect conditions. With heating / air on these reduce to 3.3 and 3. These are from the site I got the charging curve from. This also has their own results and in perfect conditions it’s 2.7 and with air on / heat it’s 2.5. I use ‘display 3’ with the consumption in the middle - today doing 70 down a dual carriageway (15C) with seat vent and intermittent air on it was displaying 2.8. I am having a tracker fitted next week which will give me precise journey distances and I intend to run the battery down to below 20% and see what the real time is to 80% on a 150kv charger And then see what the consumption is. The site has the figures for most manufacturers EV models. Makes interesting reading if you have the time https://evkx.net/models/lexus/rz/rz_450e/rangeandconsumption/ I am getting used to the fiddly controls for the auto driving etc. on the steering wheel and really enjoying the car - despite some bl**dy beeping ! I took it in to have a personal plate put on it and the guys there said it looked a stunning car - I have the copper & black but they thought it would look good in the other colours as well. By the way, the lack of a rear wiper isn’t prob - in reasonably heavy rain it stayed clear

20” with the air on only the front.

I never realised that the charge rate given by all EV manufacturers is a bit misleading. I naively presumed that a 150kw charger would charge at that speed from start to finish. Couldn’t be more wrong. Below is the charge curve for the RZ - this is not a Lexus document. Whilst the speed drops rapidly once the battery is above 30% it still means 20% to 80% is achievable in about 30 mins - so I am told.

John - Thanks I’ll check the locking wheel nut tomorrow. The Remote Parking isn’t in the App and the button below the screen is for auto parking, it’s alongside the camera button. My dealer is really embarrassed that Remote Parking is in the brochure yet not available. They are in talks with Lexus UK over it plus the lack of second key, the driving aids reverting to default instead of being saved in My Settings and the lack of ‘send to car’ in the App despite the Lexus video showing it ! I’m fairly resigned to these sort of ‘issues’ having had the same experience on my previous new Range Rover and new BMW. Audi had a fairly major issue with their infotainment system and told clients it would take 9 months to sort. Even Porsche have had major software issues - the launch of the electric Macan has been delayed over 6+ months - https://www.motor1.com/news/616223/porsche-macan-ev-delayed-2024/ In my case, getting 90% residual on the Velar after 2 years against the RZ was a no brainer - I can’t see the residuals remaining that strong so keeping it another year could have cost me say £ 25k. On that basis, a few grumbles with the RZ are inconsequential. The projected residual of the RZ is 57% to 59% at 3 years by What Car so pretty strong. I’m thinking that a lot of Lexus buyers are not business users so the lack of competitive range won’t be so important to them. Hope springs eternal. Good luck deciding and making the right choice.

Range update. Got in the car with 100% charge and 248 miles showing. Drove 95 miles of 50% 70 mph dual carriageway and lanes & town. 14C outside with intermittent use of the air con (front only). Range at the end was 140. So 140 + 95 = 235 so intermittent a/c & brake reg reduced the range 13 miles. I would probably use the a/c more if I wasn’t experimenting. The dealer is looking into why the ‘over speed’ notification returns to visual & vibration default after journey is over.

John - just a thought. Have you checked the DC Power limit - according to the manual, for some reason you can change it to 50kw and in stages up to 150kw. Hopefully that was the cause. I’ll be checking mine in the morning. Owner Manual coverage is :-

So, collected my Takumi today. Initial disappointments were despite all the marketing info saying otherwise, Remote Parking is not available (it is under development). I only received one key and no 'card', this is also under development ! I have lodged a complaint about the Remote Parking with Lexus UK Customer Service and I'll post on here what they say. Everything else - really good. My findings are after coming out of a Range Rover Velar P400e HSE with £ 10k of options. With 15 miles on 'the clock' and temperature reporting 20 C, the range - fully charged it showed 245 m. Turned A/C on Low (on for all car not just the front), reduced mileage to 196. Cooled the car and turned A/C but seat vents on and range went back to about 235 after doing about 5 miles with the A/C on. Having read the owners manual I managed to turn off all the bongs for the driver assistance and over speed and lower the sensitivity of the all the 'protection'. This then drove the same as the Velar - slight nudge if changing lane without signalling - you can turn it off entirely but I think a nudge is ok. The sunroof dimming seemed to just turn it milky white but I'm not sure whether it did reduce the heat - quite a warm day. The electric door opening and feel of the doors certainly makes it feel a prestige car. The Ultra Suede is excellent - see how hard wearing it is. I'm having the car ceramic coated and will have the seats treated as well - I had that on Velar and the near white leather seats after 2 years looked like new. The seats are really comfortable - I'm 6' 2" but I think it a little mean not to have an extendable cushion - just meant I had to put the seat back a bit further to extend for 'level' legs. I will miss the massage seats in the last 3 cars. Headroom for me is ample - despite being 6' 2" I could raise the seat and still have plenty of headroom - advantage of a fixed relatively thin fixed panoramic roof. Let's in far more light than the black roofs in my previous cars. The HUD is a vast improvement to the previous ones from Merc, BMW and Range Rover. Really crisp and informative with novel arrows - when you see it, you'll know what I mean. Whilst writing this the car has been on my Hypervolt charger (this is my second charger and they are excellent) and it has just finished - The Lexus Link App is reporting 244 miles range and 195 with full A/C. The Connected Services take up to 24 hours so I'll post how they are when they are set up. Overall I am really pleased and whilst the range will not suit some people, I am very happy that 240 miles is real but of course not with the A/C or doing 70 mph. I have researched the charging and as long as you're prepared to pay a premium price there seems plenty of availability of 150kw charger - 79p / kw so about £ 40 to 80%. Hope this is informative and a little reassuring for anyone still sticking with the thought of purchasing.

I tried this afternoon on a 150kw charger and it was very slow. Rang the 'expert' at the dealers and he said if the battery is more than 80% it reduces the charge rate to protect the battery. He said that's why all the data refers to 10% or 20% - 80%. I'll see if he is correct and I'll go to the same charger with say 50% in the battery. My battery was 88% and I was trying it only to see how pain free using a charger was - it was. I am going to start a new thread for initial views of owners, rather than regurgitating articles from the web as my experience so far is a lot different to most of the web articles