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Can it be true and I am getting my car next weekend, my car is now registered.

I think the original post was tongue in cheek. A bit harsh Vlad?

So, let's look at South Korea, a country known to have one of the most ambitious plans with regards hydrogen. According to their government roadmap they aim to have around 450 public hydrogen fuelling stations by 2025 and around 1200 by 2040. Sound impressive? Well, 1200 fuelling stations is around 10-15% of the number of available Gas (petrol/diesel) stations available in South Korea now. So, their "ambitious" plan will take 17 years to reach a point where they can still only provide around 10-15% of the fuelling infrastructure available to ICE drivers today. Note, that in the meantime the plan in SK is to reach 0.5 Million EV chargers by 2025 with a mix of around 85% to 15% of slow to fast chargers. i.e. over 150 fast chargers and almost 1000 slow chargers per hydrogen station by 2025. They are well on their way to achieving that. So, the South Korean versions of our hydrogen advocates do at least have some prospect that a hydrogen powered vehicle could make a sensible buying choice in the near future.....depending on where he/she lived of course. The roadmap appears to favour certain areas in SK. But if you are seriously interested in the question of which will be the dominant drive train technology in the future it is pointless basing that on today's current technology as some sort of benchmark. You need to get your crystal ball out and look about 15 years in the future because it will take at least that amount of time for the hydrogen infrastructure to catch up to a point where it will significantly impact the mass market. Call it 10 years if you want to be super optimistic. A lot will happen in 10-15 years (a lot is going to happen in the next 5), especially with regards battery technology.

Nobody's questioning your driving skills that, incidentally, have nothing to do with the topic under discussion, just your inability to recognise the dissemination of sarcasm & wit (as in "taking the wee wee") 😉 . Chill 😎 .

So difficult to express subtle nuance and dry humour in plain text, especially when not accompanied by those little emoji fellas 😄 that at least offer a clue as to the writer's thinking 🤔 . Never mind VFR, nice try. 🤭 Mr Vlad ... and breeeeeeaaaath!! 🤫

As I said in my first post……. I just knew some pretentious prat would be along to say you should hand in your licence etc etc, as the point of the thread went whoooosh ! Over their heads.

Show this to the car and tell it to buck up its ideas or it's out:

42.2/40.1 such a slow creep upwards but I have not fully discharged except for once, and this my fifth charge only. 250 mile round trip tomorrow so see what my weekend charge comes up with.

Interesting that the ‘mood music’ (nothing definite or committed) coming out of Labour is that the ‘…failure of the current Government…’ to provide a consistent nationwide EV charging network may cause a future Labour Government to delay the ban on sales of new petrol and hybrid (but not diesel) vehicles. It’s no surprise that Labour know that the current policy is unpopular with many potential middle class Labour voters who may switch to them from the Conservatives. Pushing it back by (say) five years and blaming the current Government does seem feasible - and they’re already starting to lay the tentative story to allow that to happen. The reality is probably that EVs will continue to evolve, hydrogen may or may not become either an alternative or a companion in the long term, and petrol will continue to be available for many years yet. There will need to be a range of options to suit different needs, including the commercial freight sector. However, as a solution to the climate emergency none of these options are really palatable especially to the developing world. We in the West / First World simply need to drive, fly and transport less while striving towards localism rather than globalism (which obviously won’t happen because of the ‘need’ for continued economic growth, but there you go!). We’re all doooooomed!

I've only had the vehicle for a week, today after a full charge the EV range with Aircon was 37 miles but I just ran out of electric power after 49 miles driving pretty conservatively. As a matter of interest the overall miles/kWh is now 3.5. I have just come from a RAV4 PHEV with the same battery/engine configuration as the 450H and was achieving around 3.7 miles/kWh.

A jacking puck is your friend

I have a similarly scarred underside from mis-use of jacking points etc, my sills are captain crusty too. They are going to be assessed by a friend who is a fabricator, we pulled a large hump out where someone had decided to jack underneath the footwell on passengers side before it went to bodyshop, wasn't too tricky, just a lot of bashing! 🤣

This site may help ? https://www.counsellingconnection.com/index.php/2019/11/14/the-psychology-of-bragging/

All modernish vehicle can be driven away via OBD port theft as thanks to EU anticompetition laws the port has to be open for any repair garage to connect up to - makes theft easy with the correct equipment, obviously if the vehicle has a proper key it slows the theft down. As for Ring doorbells going offline, there normally connected to the internet via the homes WIFI network - you can guess why they went off line during the theft - the thieves came prepared. I can only think of one hardwired video doorbell that doesn't use WIFI & cloud storage.

One of my biggest worries about sonic red / infrared paint was in the event of a respray the match would very difficult to achieve. I think it’s a 7 stage paint coat. Assuming someone starts stripping parts to get to the internals, I’m guessing there is significant damage? Whether they succeeded on taking it or not. Unless they are considerate thieves, gently stripping parts and laying them on a carpet, organising the bolts and clips….I would rather it be taken and never seen again! Ideally without any important stuff in the boot!

Latest charge indicating 52.1/50 so much in line with the previous result which gave an actual of 45 from the predicted 50.2.

Blimey. If someone has to rely on a mobile phone app to warn them of a pothole or sunken drain then they really Must surrender their licence.

Ill be honest, WIDE!! It feels wider than my SC 430 on the road (& weirdly heavier). I love the driving dynamics and the comfort (plus the aircon is a peach in this weather!) I have just made an ownership update video on it if you wish to see it 🙂

Hi Josh and welcome to the LOC. Having looked at the MOT history it is a bit of a jump from no advisories to a “dangerous do not drive” failure of the subframe as you mention especially with just a few thousand miles between MOTs. You also have to weigh up the cost of the sill repairs which given the multi layer construction and cutting back to good metal (which may reveal rot in the wheel arches also). The rest of the failures regarding brakes is probably a seized calliper (pins never get removed and re-greased even at Lexus dealers), seized handbrake cable ( usually due to lack of use) and brake drum cleaning and shoe adjustment. Finding a good used sub frame may also prove difficult and a new one if still available would probably cost more than the car plus the labour involved in replacing it. Another member recently required a rear sub frame for another model and found one at a Lexus JDM breakers here in the UK in excellent condition ( no road salt and kinder climate in Japan). It does make me wonder if the previous owner was aware of the upcoming problems and sold it with a short MOT instead of renewing it early. (I assume it was a private sale and not a dealer?) Not good news sorry and worrying that nothing was mentioned on the last test before the current one.

and simply everyone, lest one forgets .. most people in the UK have zero ability to recharge a battery at Home . lots of terraced homes and apartments with no ability to develop the battery charging infrastructure to existing homes ......... these people, like me, will always need to refill my car at a proper, quick, simple and easy refuelling place . like a petrol station, where it takes but a few minutes . and where the Hydrogen pumps will be This thread is styled .. HYDROGEN FUEL ROLLOUT ,,,,,,,,,,,, .. and I reckon that I'll be availing myself of the usual refuelling mode at a petrol station selling Hydrogen gas, a bit like diesel and LPG say ! Roll On Hydrogen Fuel asap ......... they did say it's not that huge a challenge to change an existing combustion engine to hydrogen power didn't they somewhere in this looooong dialogue AND after all, there's great chunks of our world where one needs a petrol or diesel mode to actually get around and where EVs won't " go " ........... and a refill with Hydrogen power will Malc

China seems likely to be as South Korea was twenty years ago in terms of automotive development and dominance. The political situation may muddy those waters though, especially regarding Taiwan. India could be the one to watch. They have so much potential in terms of domestic growth, and that often translates to international growth as seen in China since the 1990s. I spent time in China in the late 90s/early 2000s and recently came back from India. I can see similarities, but the democratic process in India makes it far more palatable to the West, and Modi knows that. He’s already distanced himself from Putin for reasons beyond not supporting his actions in Ukraine…with more to come at full G20 in India later this year I’ll wager. Tata is going big on EVs, and the UK is likely to be a big player in that through JLR, albeit fairly minor in global terms. Based on what I read neither China nor India are really backing hydrogen, and if that continues I can’t see it taking off anywhere, least of all in a niche market such as the UK. Anyway - and I don’t think I’m alone here - all I want as a motorist is the ability in Winter temperatures to drive for a 300 mile round trip at motorway speeds without having to recharge or refuel. Once an EV can give me that I’ll switch. Having discussed with most of the major EV manufacturers over the last 12 months none can guarantee that at the moment apart from Tesla, and their horrid ‘new money’ image combined with terrible build quality (and if you don’t believe me just look at some used models with mileage on them) means I won’t consider them. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/uk-set-win-battle-host-tata-electric-car-battery-plant-bbc-2023-05-24/

From reading these stories it's As though lexus are the only ones with an issue, there must be hundreds if not thousands of range rovers knicked a week plus audi bmws compared to lexus in our street with 58 houses there have been 4 audis and 2 ranges stolen ...not to lighten the issue the op had.

Yes Malc I am!! A lot of car for little money. And yes on a private plate. Gone over almost everything to check all’s working. The only problem is the electric seat height not working? The previous mpg history was 32. Cheers

Thats not really the point though is it. If a car manufacturer has an inherent fault in regards to the security of their product, they should fix it. If your bank left a vulnerability where if you downloaded and ran xyz software on your computer, allowing someone to bypass the login of your bank account, is it the customer's fault and responsibility to find another bank or is it for that bank to patch the vulnerability? I see this example and Lexus's issue as the same principle.

And proud of it!

Sad to be missing this event, but I'm not fit enough to travel, let alone drive my SC430 there! However, I wish all members a splendid weekend and look forward to a full report with lots of great photos. Have a great weekend!

Having seen the video Nicholas methinks you'd be bonkers to part with your Ls430 ! Malc

Ella's Focus averages about 35Mpg where my LS averages 24Mpg but it's so bloody cramped I and I have to practically fold myself in half to get in and out of the passenger seat of the ****ing thing. She is happy with it as she only commutes 5 miles each way for work and does maybe 5000 miles per year total. When I retire the LS I may have to buy her a Ford S-Max (she is Ford obsessed) just so I can get in/out of it. Ella refuses to part-fill which does endear her to me. We both have the habit of refilling when the fuel light comes on or just before a longer trip. As for being irked,...... I feel we are pretty much all in the irked age range (Grumpy Old Men!) 🤣

your progress reports are a world of wisdom for us all ✌️ Malc

Very helpful thank you: I had been looking under the mats all this time

Maybe call your dealer and ask for ship details.

And more interesting thing , see snapshot

Cheeky shooting range pic from last night. (Turns out you can fit four rifles in the boot!)

Gang yep. You can count them on the fingers of your two hands today it seems ……. Tomorrow you’ll get better use from your toes too hopefully as I said before “ from little acorns grow “ 😄 Malc

I Get a Warning Coming Up On The information screen Well In Advance of losing battery power in the key fob...

Thanks Brian, ps sorry to you and the LC guys for my delayed response!

Today I got 48 miles against the 55 guesstimate. Tonight 57.5/55.2

Ignore the title of this video - he does note that a £2500 LS430 is probably best avoided and that £6-7 is more realistic for a good one on Autotrader - but as a sales / buying aid it does tell you most of what you’ll need to know if you’re considering one of these…enjoy.

Hi all, unfortunately there is definitely a dramatic downward change with regards to some Lexus Dealerships. I have to say that Swindon branch where I used to get my IS250 serviced and recall work done are brilliant in everyway and really excelled in both their attitude and the work that they did. However my personal direct experience of two other dealerships has been really infuriating and costly! I am currently in the middle of a huge issue regarding an RC300H 2019 that I bought a month ago from a main Lexus dealer. I will not go into details on the specific branch as I have reported them twice to Lexus HQ for the sales guy clearly misleading me and for them NOT working to or knowing the Lexus servicing schedules; I will not name them as trying to resolve amicably. As soon as (if) this is all resolved I will explain fully but for now all I will say is that while I have a Lexus I will only ever use Swindon for servicing and repairs, although it is over an hour from where I live they have always been honest and straight with me and really do all they can to act / represent a Premium brand as it should be represented. I became a loyal / avid Lexus fan over the past 7 years but sadly my current experience has made me think that I will never buy another Lexus in the future or at the very least never buy from a main dealer and only use Swindon for work required.

Radio silence so far, only the automated reply.

HI your sat nav system appears to be the same as mine; it is all contained in the hard drive unit ,this means a dealer will have to update it using a computer or memory stick .I tried to have this done a few years ago but the Lexus technician could not get it to work .They have recently informed me that updates are no longer available ,the price originally was £175 so you can do what I have done and put this money towards a new tom tom with the ability for free updates which can now be carried out over the wi fi Regards Dave

Normally does display near the speedo. The fact that you jumped however, means that the key must have had enough battery charge to get the doors open. Regardless, even if the main battery is dead there is a backup battery behind the Lexus badge. Press the "power" button with the key fob and it should work in an emergency situation

Asked Lexus Parts Direct in the end, they identified it from the same pictures and found one for me. Turns out it's called a "Grille Protection Bolt" part No SKU: 53119-53021L. Brilliant service from LPD 😊

Totally new to this, having taken delivery of my new 450h+ just last week. I noted the first charge of 40 and third charge this week of 41.1. Sorry did not note the AC figure but will start doing so from now on to be consistent with other entries on here. This thing just drives like a dream compared to my NX300h and I am loving it!

Sorry, but no. Current all season tyres from premium brands perform well in snow, and perfectly fine driving them below freezing point - that's the entire point. They tend to have the 3PMSF symbol to comply with regulation in countries where winter tyres are mandatory during winter season (e.g. Austria) or conditions (eg. Germany). This makes them legally equivalent to winter tyres. No, they're not as good on snow as a good winter tyre, of course, but capable, and outperform winters in dry and wet. All season also tend to perform on par or even better on very wet road surfaces (torrential rains, standing water) and aquaplaning happens at higher speeds, because of the tread pattern. For these reasons, premium all seasons are the choice for the UK for safe all-year-round driving, and particularly so when driving across continental Europe in colder months. Summers simply won't cut it, particularly up north. Just because millions ignore this does not make it right. The only other responsible alternative (save not driving when it's cold) is to have two sets so you can either have UHP summers and/or Nordic winters for icy conditions. But increasingly in the UK it seems like a pain to have season swaps, expensive and many garages/tyre shops refusing to fit a used set. I've had a set of Pirelli Cinturato SF2 for over 30k miles, done the Alps stint, too, can't fault their performance, the only issue was that at the side wall they were a few mm narrower than the wheel, leaving the rims exposed to curbing. It's the opposite of protecting the rim, and also looks a bit odd. For this reason I cannot recommend them. Cross Climates 2s are considered the gold standard for now, most balanced, particularly if snow performance is important. Verdict: go for premium all seasons. My next set this winter will be a new set of all seasons. Hoping Pirelli remedies the rim protection problem. The cost is a non-issue, it's a tiny fraction compared to fuel costs. Cost me £400, my set of Pirellis, and I'm only done with them because I suffered multiple punctures. I probably spent £5k on fuel over the same period (blimey). Look at tyrereviews.com.

Thanks it does make you wonder about spending money on the car though seeing as there’s little to no resale value. I’ve always broke even or made a profit on the cars I’ve owned (older BMW’s) and always maintained to a high standard.. however I was expecting a bit of a loss on this as it’s not very well viewed outside of LS430 circles. Including the cost of the car I’ve spent about 7-8k on it, so thought 4K was realistic.. but if the most I can get is 2 to 2.5k then it can just be a spare for when I need ULEZ free motoring!

it's as simple as the Economy and Spare ££££ I'm thinking Older cars need someone who actually wants one and most older guys who wanted one now have it, satiated their thirst for the Ls430 luxury and all that goodness £2.5 / 4k is often, well sometimes, a drop in the ocean for us older guys reading this Forum and having that interest AND I fear that those with pre ULEZ acceptable cars might have trouble now with Herr Khan extending his cash gobbling remit much further around ............ Many factors ..... stretched ££££ economies and ULEZ being the most impact maybe ................ and many have a ULEZ ok car AND their luxury pre ULEZ steeds too these days Good luck with the sale, there'll be someone out there OR as you suggest, just use her as a local runaround I know my Ls400 is an everyday car, as always and of course now too, and for any trip absolutely anywhere, she's brilliant .......... on 245k miles .... and the, our Honda Legend which is ULEZ ok will suffice for our London visits upcoming this August Malc

Ive only been to the Lexus dealer one time so far to set up a service plan & I felt like a VIP despite asking for help with a used Lexus which i bought privately, s****y (you cant type sw@nky on here huh!) showroom, coffee, biscuits, greeted at the reception etc, couldnt have been better really. Will go for its major service & fuel vent recall thingy in June, will see if I still feel the same way after that. Opposite to my VW experience, no one even looks in your direction when you walk in & the showroom is just some random open plan thing with random desks & a few cars scattered around.

300H is 5 yrs old so not nearly new. Dealers have only a limited number of courtesy cars, so for me at least, my way of booking car in for service work, mot, and having courtesy car available is/has been trouble free and in the main I generally go for Saturdays, also I have done the while you wait option and whiled the time away drinking coffee and eating pastries.

It is introduced in MY24. Whatever reach production line after 2nd March 2023 will get it.