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The Mark 4 is twenty years old in November and I have just done a clean and refurb of the wheels as a birthday treat,see pics The wheel wells were scrubbed clean and sprayed with new underseal and the suspension hardware arms were coated with protective corrosion resistor, the static beams and fixings coated with a slight film of sprayed underseal ,this prevents atmospheric corrosion.The rest of the under floor is rust free as it was like new factory finish. I did the underside with Dinitrol 6 years ago when I bought the car and it was a good move as the area around the diff and above is still corrosion free.

@Stuno1 As regards the wheels question you posed Stu my car goes in tomorrow to Lexus Cheltenham for a major service and some personalisation, my wheels have been diamond cut once before so I want to preserve 'the one more cut ' for the future so I'm having them fully stripped and powder coated in a dark Anthracite with a slight satin sheen to the surface I didn't want a glossy finish. And the calipers are going from black to 'Brembo Yellow' I'll post up a thread with lots of pics when I get her back. 🐀

Very nice indeed. I've only ever heard good things about the latest Mazda models and have been impressed when I've looked. Not to mention they seem to be chasing market share so 15% discount seems to be the starting point for negotiation on new cars so they represent very good value, especially given the equipment levels. Reading back through this thread, it occurs to me that - as with most things - it's all about opinions, needs vs wants and personal preference, often based on your own values and beliefs. My 'values' are around quality and comfort when it comes to cars, rather than practicality or 'the drive.' Cars aren't so different to houses in that regard. After all, I could buy a 2 bedroom house in London if I wanted to live in the city, but my preference was to live in a bigger house in the country. That's my preference but I have plenty of friends who still feel they 'need' the buzz of living in London. As with @Linas.Pand the power discussion even though I don't - and don't know anybody - in my social circle who drives fast or who would feel they need a car with more power than a 300h (or a Fiesta Ecoboost for that matter!) I guess that doesn't mean that there isn't a small demand for those more powerful products. I don't understand it and never will, but like living in London, I don't really need to understand it to understand that it is there. Presumably Lexus have made a decision that they won't chase that market in the U.K., which leaves those who want such products to go elsewhere. Time will tell if that's the right decision for the brand.

No, it looks like a proper one without a hole in the roof. 😉

At the half term break just gone, the family and I went up to Skye. We were so very lucky with the weather and the midges were not so bad. 3 bikes on the back (plus one in the boot!), picture is the Glenelg to Skye ferry, a very romantic way on to the Isle. Over 1000 miles with the rack and bikes and it felt very solid, so I can really recommend the Saris. My LS never missed a beat and I averaged about 26mpg. Car photo is at the house where we stayed in an area called Waternish, the house being in Loch Bay. It is a beautiful place and our fourth time there but never with such great weather. Didn't see another LS all the way there or back but amazingly a 400 overtook me just outside of Dunvegan. Love my LS.

@Comedian Has your poorly paw obscured your eyesight black wheels with yellow callipers..... like this Lambo car thingy in the pic.... 🐀

It is not that much off topic (the examples are), the point we discussed was quite simple - Is ES300h fast or slow, is it fast "enough" for modern premium saloon or not. It seems taking away how much people are "willing" to pay for something it is statistically slow car and in it's segment represents minority's choice.

Might be worth making sure the welds are ok at the same time as they are known to fail occasionally losing the odd tip. When I originally bought my ISF you could only buy the whole fake tip assembly at £400 a corner - was one of the advantages of the H&S exhaust system for me.

Hi all just saying hi and checking what going on I am a long time Lexus guys but fogo5 all my log in crap so made a new start just picked up my 4th Lexus , a GS F and still getting to know it how many on here have the GS f as I don’t have the user guide i need to set my nite screen ,as it a bit bright at nite

@First_Lexus you will be surprised, but at least using Autotrader data nearly 20% of people chooses to drive something faster then GS300h/250 or for that matter IS250, 3% actually chooses cars under 5s 0-60. Based on that 1 in every 5 car owners in UK would be of opinion that GS300h is slow. That is 20 times more then you stated (even thought I understand you didn't actually mean 99% and it was more of expression rather then statistical claim). I agree that is not majority, but again here we talking only about UK with retarded speed limits and terrible anti-motorists culture, still 20% is not exactly small percentage or 1 in 5 something we can consider rare. If I go further, that is based on all cars on sale made from 1900 (443000 cars), if we refocus statistics on something more relevant - say premium saloons cars of last decade, that percentage will change significantly - we have total 6640 cars listed in this category, 5208 of which are faster then any car fitted with 300h, over 1400 are faster then 5s 0-60. That means in premium saloon category 79% of car owners would consider car under 8s 0-60 as slow. 4 out of every 5! - and that is not my values or opinion - it is cold hard statistics. Now I appreciate you understand that there are different people with different choices, but I don't think comparison with houses captures the point of discussion. If we compare like that, then you can get very nice flat in London in new modern development and run down terrible hole in ex-council housing, or equally you can get mansion in scenic country side or rotten cottage in ex-mining town. What I am saying house in country side even if you choose to live there (certainly I would) is not necessary equal to another house in country side. Equally premium saloon is not necessary equal another premium saloon - one can be brilliant and another can be complete rubbish.

Here are the user manuals. One for the car, one for the infotainment. Mine didn’t come with hard copies either! Lovely car. Same as mine, but I’ve got black seats. Absolutely besotted with it! Edit: A trick of the light, or do you not have a sunroof? OM30F12U.pdf OM30E86U.pdf

New order by me - that’s all standard on the top trim. It does have a Bose stereo dab etc but can’t comment as I’m a few weeks from delivery. It is the 2.5 which is new to uk but the US had it for a couple of years. This is the spec and colour I’ve ordered

I just bought one but Toyotatech managed to affect an interim repair to pass the mot - I was being flashed by oncoming traffic, so knew something was amiss: https://www.sgs-engineering.com/gsc2618-lexus-ls400-ride-height-sensor-arm

Nice! If you do decide to pop along, come say hi. Should be with the car on and off throughout the day. 👍 You got it BR, will try and snap a few good shots throughout the day to share with you all. 😊

Should be my watch!

Got myself a new daily driver! Those of you that are into your tuning/racing will understand the connection!!

Just need to get few of these and you have yourself Lexus ES for half price 😄

I don't understand why some people are so vociferous in their condemnation against the GS 300h or its probable successor, the ES. Subjectivity and objectivity keep being mentioned. Speed (or acceleration) also keeps being mentioned. None of this is actually relevant. Those that are happy with the GS or those that are happy to buy an ES should be happy to do that without criticism from those that have a different opinion. Those that aren't or wouldn't should just go and buy what they are happy with and stop thinking that they are right and those that disagree are wrong. That's what subjectivity is all about. If we all made objective decisions when buying a car we'd all be driving the same thing and that would probably be boring!

I suspect a lot of Lexus owners will get one. It looks great for the money and a far savvier buy than an ES Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Probably for a premium car the ES has the engine mounted wrongways, the wrong axel is powered and it’s too slow. However equipment levels will be generous so like for like it’ll undercut the German makes. The GS does too when you consider the standard specification. My SE 2013 GS has pretty much the same standard interior spec as a 7 series or S class of the same age. A standard 5 series SE, A6 SE is remarkably basic with manual 6 way seat adjustment being the norm. Actually is an ES300h that off the pace, the Germans 9/10 times are sold with 4 clyinder diesels. Not one of them can top 150mph, most won’t top 140mph and none will crack 60 in under 7 sec. Is a 520d that much faster than an ES300h in reality for it to matter. Probably not. The GS range was hindered by the lack of the 200t engine and 350 engine with the 8 speed box and I hate to say it a creditable diesel option if Toyota wanted to chase volume with serious gusto. The US range did better because the car got the gearbox and engine it deserved. I like my 250 but I’d have jumped at the chance at the 350 and 8sp I still think though the ES drive train suits a mass market car like the Camry better mind you and yes it’ll be lighter on kit but it’ll be thousands cheaper. I’m very interested. I live 1mi from a Toyota dealer - the Lexus one is 30mi away. Ease of ownership is a big thing for me. It’s why I sold my Mercedes. It was unreliable and I spent too much time going back and forth to a garage that wasn’t where I lived. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

@Stuno1 A double post deserved a double like 😂 Glad you agree with the wheels..... got stuck in the traffic earlier and along side me was a Black Alfa Quadfliggyfiggy.........well you know what I mean it had Matt black wheels with Brembo Yellow Callipers did look good I mean really good........ not to late to change my mind I guess and go black.....🤔 🐀

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Cheers for the tips (pun intended). Had one of the tips fall off my last ISF so I’ll be getting the welds checked beforehand.

Sounds spot on. I will definitely get the wheels done when I do ppf etc. Makes a huge difference to the look of the car imo.

Yup! Same here. £800 to replace the originals or £980 for a full brand new H&S. Easy decision.

When you consider the new Volvo S60 coming out next year and the performance of the petrol engines... the ES is too slow

The wife’s is250 and her shopping wagon the Rav 4 i got the GSF and my van the hilux

I can make you one up this weekend, have a couple of ECUs to repair so may as well have a Lexus repair weekend.

Great looking car - love the black/red combo👍🏻

I agree with you that for that specific purpose Potenza 001s is better tyre, however there are much more for tyre then just high speed cornering. In fact as I mentioned in UK any corner over 70MPH would be illegal anyway, so kind of pointless to make that comparison. Other thing, I actually agree with... Dunlop marketing is a bit misleading - by no means RT2 is UHP tyre... it is probably at best HP (high performance). GT would be UHP, but based on Dunlop marketing material you would never have guessed. That compounded by inherently wrong decision by Lexus to even fit such size and pressure tires on RWD car results in experience you have. However, say in UK with ancient 70MPH limit and potholed roads RT2 would be rather brilliant tire - especially on front axle.

When I had my exhaust replaced they removed the tips intact without removing anything, I didn't see anything you couldn't get at and why would you need to go through the boot floor!!!!!, it was 3, 13mm bolts if I remember correctly

I find it easier to search and find things using the electronic guide.

Stunning car @Jamesf1 !

Very very nice James!

I really wouldn’t mind bumping into her again 😉😆 If she is there I will certainly try - I might even ask about a shirt for you as well!! 😆

Ha! I quite like it! First car I’ve had a sunroof in - means you can hear even more noise through tunnels! 😈

Well, one lives and learns ! Many thanks for the technological update Connor. We`ll see if anything develops!

I use my phone - not into one function machines!

I did a heath robinson repair which is just about to give up after 3 years, but just got a 'proper-job' from SGS. It is well made, and will not rot like the lexus version. When the link goes your lights point so far up that they do not light the immediate road in front on you, so not only do you blind others, you cannot see where the heck your going (well old gi*s like me cannot see). I had a look at mine the other day to put the SGS part in, but the threads all siezed, and on mine the SGS thread is slightly bigger than original, so will need to drill out the brackets to fit.

It is the very car was looking for one near to me , in black but no one had one a guy from work worried me to buy my old GS , and got feed up so sold it Spent 3 month with out my baby , test drove some lovely motor , 1 being a gtr , but not the colour I wanted All were just not me test drove GSF in white , loved it but for the colour so waited and landed up with this one

Pretty loaded then. I like how those new Mazdas look. Enjoy the car.

Kit same as my GS plus adaptice headlights radar cruise Emergency city braking powered tailgate head up display 4 zone climate heated rear seats 360 parking camera front/rear cross traffic warning sunroof 19” wheels touchscreen thats all I can think of off the top of my head

Can't make it Pete but good luck. You must be in with a very good chance! Send us a photo of the trophy when you win it!!

@DAW David if you bump into her again me want one.....42 short..... very........short.......😂 🐀

@fatboy Terence welcome to you matey, you won’t be allowed to play on here Fella without pictures of the new toy.... Mind you you’ve passed phase one she’s black........😍 Big Rat

Hello, welcome back. Congrats on the purchase. As always, we want photos!! Screen setup should be same as standard GS. I don't know the answer, but would recommend asking in the normal GS section, rather than GS-F.

Welcome to the LOC, enjoy.

Dropped in to a local Kent suoercars meet. Three maclarens, four Lamborghini's, usual array of mercs bm's and porche. Only one F car there though!

That is why I call them commies (communists) - for them one size fits all. Personal needs, preference or personality in itself is not welcome - especially where they have to return on infrastructure. Motorists contribute £36bn a year only from direct taxation and duties and barely gets ~4bn/year of spending. Even then very little of £4bn is spent on actually improving the roads as large part is subsidies for public transport company stakeholders. No to improve public transport, but basically to improve profitability and return on investment - you might ask wtf?! but that is exactly the case e.g. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/subsidy_for_arriva vs. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3066527/Bus-train-operator-Arriva-sees-profit-accelerate-annual-sales-hit-3-3bn.html and that is Arriva (Deutsche Bahn) alone!!!! And there are multiple franchises ruining multiple routes. In short government subsidised private company which is making profit anyway, so the stakeholders can have better returns. Arriva made ~£100-300mln each year between 2003-2010 and received over £2bn of government subsidies on top of that (London alone), during the same period bus tickets price rose from ~£0.50 to £1.20 - this is bloody fraud in plain sight... Quite clearly that money could have been to improve appalling congestion, improve the roads, finance car scrapping and environmentally friendly car purchase schemes etc. - yet that is not a problem, problem is motorists as always.