European Service Schedule

[thelawnet]

Free download from Lexus tech site.

http://www.lexus-tech.eu/MaintenanceSchedules/ls/Final.pdf

Here's the schedule for the original LS460s

Annual service (minor)

* Replace oil (SL/SM) and filter

* Inspect steering wheel, linkage and steering gear box

* Inspect brake pedal and parking brake

* Inspect brake linings and drums

* Inspect brake pads and discs

* Inspect brake fluid

* Inspect brake pipes and hoses

* Inspect exhaust pipes and mountings

* Inspect Battery

* Inspect air cleaner filter

* Inspect suspension ball joints and dust covers

* Inspect rear differential oil

* Inspect front and rear suspension

* Inspect tyres and inflation pressure

* Inspect lights, horns, wipers and washers

* Inspect air conditioner refrigerant amount

* Check that the radiator and condenser are not blocked with leaves, dirt or insects; check radiator fins; check hoses and connections for correct installation, corrosion etc.; clean if needed - every 2 years for first 4 years, then annually

* Inspect 'Fuel tank cap, fuel lines, connections and fuel vapor control valve' every 2 years for first 4 years, then annually

Extra items at major service (every 2 years)

* Replace brake fluid - SAE J1703 or FMVSS No. 116 DOT3

* Replace air cleaner filter

* Inspect drive belts

* Inspect coolant

* inspect charcoal canister

* Inspect drive shaft boots

* Inspect automatic transmission fluid (type WS)

Less frequent items

* Replace coolant at 100,000 miles then every 50,000 miles

Only use "Toyota Super-Long Life Coolant" or similar high quality ethylene glycol based non-silicate, non-amine, non-nitrate and non-borate coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology (coolant with long-life hybrid organic acid technology is a combination of low phosphates and organic acids)

* Replace spark plugs (platinum/iridum-tipped) every 60,000 miles

* Replace fuel filter every 8 years

* Replace rear differential oil API gear oil GL-5 every 4 years

The LS600h is basically the same, but with a couple of fluid changes related to the AWD system.

Lexus charge £199 flat rate for an 'essential care' service minor, and £399 for major. It's difficult to see the justification for charging double for the major service.

[Tulpen]

Thanks for that.

My 2007/LS460 goes in for its annual service next Monday (24th). It will be interesting to see how much they charge me, here in Holland.

Incidentally, while I read lots of gloom and doom about LS460 problems on the USA site, I have had absolutely no problems at all with mine. It has done 40,000 miles.

[thelawnet]

According to the warranty manual the minor service takes about 50 minutes of labour and the major one up to two hours (presumably if they have to do spark plugs, etc.).

[ahmedali44]

They say 2 hrs does it really take them 2hrs well tea breaks inclufed lol I paid 199 on is220d. For minor service @ will cost me 399 for major

[alien1974]

does any of this apply to the LS 400

[steve2006]

does any of this apply to the LS 400

My owner's handbook has all the details.

[alien1974]

only because it says the timing belt should be done at 90k

[Tulpen]

The LS460 has a timing chain.

[ColinBarber]

only because it says the timing belt should be done at 90k

isn't that correct for 9,000 miles service schedule LSs? When the service schedule went to 10,000 the timing belt was at 100,000 miles.

[thelawnet]

Just to clarify this schedule is for LS460/600h models only....

Incidentally I just called my dealer, apparently £300 for a minor service, £500 for a major one and then £800 for the 60,000 mile service. Labour rate is £120/hour - god knows what they are doing for the money.

[ColinBarber]

As you will see from your service manual, the European service schedule is different to the UK.

[Malc]

wonder why ?

Malc

[alien1974]

i am convinced lexus uk are conning us with this 60k timing belt change

[Tulpen]

FWIW.......my first Lexus (a 1994 LS 400, UK registered) had a timing belt replacement schedule of 64,000 miles. This just happens to be 100,000 kms. It always struck me as being too much of a coincidence.

[Malc]

The 1989 Press Release topic recently threw up some insight into the quality of the cam belt ........................... aramid fibre construction .......... effectively Kevlar !

Malc

[Tulpen]

I've just had my annual service done at a Lexus Dealer here, in Holland.

I had to have the 'major' service done - the car has 46,000 miles (74,000 km) on the clock. I did not need the coolant or spark plugs changed. The total cost was 541 Euro (430 pounds) and this included the Dutch version of the MOT.......the APK.

Most garages here have a deal where, if you get the MOT done with the annual service, you get it at a greatly reduced price.

The Dutch MOT requires the same checks carried out as in the UK........but there is one BIG difference. Once the garage has completed the MOT, they are required to call up the Dutch equivalent of the DVLA and report the results of the check. The DVLA can do one of two things.......authorise the granting of the MOT Certificate or, require the garage to hold the car for a couple of hours until an inspector from the DVLA calls round and checks the car personally.

These DVLA checks are carried out on about 15% of all MOTs. If the inspector finds anything wrong, the garage gets a warning. Three warnings and it loses its MOT Licence.

This means that:

a. You can be pretty sure the check has been carried out properly.

b. If you buy a car with a year's MOT, you can be reasonably happy that it has been checked to the required standard.

However:

If you are trying to get rid of a car, which has a few 'problems', there isn't much chance of the 'little garage on the corner' giving you a certificate because he's a mate.

Swings and roundabouts :)

I like the system.

[Malc]

Wikipedia says : In 2013, the United Nations World Happiness Report ranked the Netherlands as the fourth happiest country in the world, reflecting its high quality of life.

So they must be doing something better than us in the UK ................. bet the per capita ownership of Ls s is higher than in the UK then

Malc

[Tulpen]

Malc,

Holland is a great place to live.......but second-hand car prices are pretty high.

Check out this site: www.autotrack.nl and select Occasions then Lexus then LS.

1,000 Euro = 800 pounds

You won't be surprised when I say there are not many LS in Holland .

Sorry it's so complicated but I can't work out how to post a link :(

[Malc]

Blimey, £4000 for a 1998 Ls400 and 223k kms

A steal !!

Malc

[ColinBarber]

i am convinced lexus uk are conning us with this 60k timing belt change

playing it safe.

[Mybikes a cx500]

The 1989 Press Release topic recently threw up some insight into the quality of the cam belt ........................... aramid fibre construction .......... effectively Kevlar !

Malc

It's not so much the belt, as the water pump, if it seizes, it's not good

[Malc]

I would imagine that water pump failure would be pre warned by probable and evident leakage from the system ............. I don't know, but doubt there is a scheduled waterpump replacement time / mileage.

I have never known a waterpump on any car I have owned to just catastrophically fail one day ................ . there's always been a tell tale sign of impending failure

I would envisage considering replacing my waterpump @ 200k miles with the cambelt at that time ...... in my case it's 3rd cambelt change, the last one done at 105k miles by Lexus.

Malc

[Tulpen]

Malc,

I agree with you about the water pump.

I've only heard about one cambelt failure on a 400 and that was on a 1992 model owned by the guy who recommended Lexus to me in the first place......way back in 1997.

We lost touch and, in 2007, I met him in a doctor's waiting room in Hong Kong!!!!!!

I asked him about his car and he told me that he'd had the cambelt fail. I believe the early models had 'interference' engines and the failure resulted in a lot of damage.

I expressed surprise that it had failed. He admitted it was his fault - he had done 140,000 miles without getting it changed.

[Mybikes a cx500]

I would imagine that water pump failure would be pre warned by probable and evident leakage from the system ............. I don't know, but doubt there is a scheduled waterpump replacement time / mileage.

I have never known a waterpump on any car I have owned to just catastrophically fail one day ................ . there's always been a tell tale sign of impending failure

I would envisage considering replacing my waterpump @ 200k miles with the cambelt at that time ...... in my case it's 3rd cambelt change, the last one done at 105k miles by Lexus.

Malc

I would agree you would expect some warning, in my case, I had noisy water pump bearings, so had the belt and pump (and idlers/tensioner) changed

[Malc]

It's amazing how life lets one bump into people in the most unexpected locations ............. guess many of us may have experienced something of that ........ I have too .... I digress:

It was the earlier Lexus Ls400s that had the non-interference engines, the Mk1 and Mk2 I believe.

There's some doubt about the Mk3, maybe someone knows on here ?

The Mk4 vvti engines just collapse from time to time ..................... sad for JPS and that other Mk4 for sale that we were referred to the other day ..... now where was that !!!

Malc