Is200 Speakers

Kazi · January 14, 2009

Im guessing you connect the existing cables to the new stuff. I don't wanna do anything I can't undo should I sell the car in the near future. I could be wrong though. Sure Dj Wozza will be able to answer all soon...

aido · January 14, 2009

Why do you actually need crossovers?

Couldn't they just make the speakers so they could just take a full signal and the speaker would just play whichever bits it could out of the frequency range?

Always wondered ever since I had a sub connection on my old Yamaha amp - don't get me wrong it sounded bloody brilliant (still does 10 years on) but I don't get why they haven't just moved that functionality into the speaker itself?

Or is it so that you can get a precise cutoff to control how it sounds?

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

Why do you actually need crossovers?
Couldn't they just make the speakers so they could just take a full signal and the speaker would just play whichever bits it could out of the frequency range?

Always wondered ever since I had a sub connection on my old Yamaha amp - don't get me wrong it sounded bloody brilliant (still does 10 years on) but I don't get why they haven't just moved that functionality into the speaker itself?

Or is it so that you can get a precise cutoff to control how it sounds?

on the mb quart's i have i can adjust the db level of the tweeter also :winky:

Kazi · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on eBay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!

Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

all depends on how good you want the crossover to be.. the good ones will have coils and slow 'glow' fuses to dissipate heat, and ensure a clean signal goes to each speaker.. a cheap one will just be a capacitor (i think) on the back of the tweeter

A good one..

a cheapo one..

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

and a dremmel :winky:

(cos those tweeters are a little larger than oem)

Kazi · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

Cheers dude, much appreciated, as is everyones suggestions and input on this thread. Will the speakers come with self tappers or fixing screws etc? What size drill bit you think I need?

aido · January 14, 2009

Talking of Dremels was in Aldi the other day at Derby and they were doing something that looked very similar at a decent price - have no idea how much Dremels are though so maybe it wasn't that good

Kazi · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

and a dremmel :winky:

(cos those tweeters are a little larger than oem)

Wounded, don't have a cordless Dremmel...

Is changing these speakers going to mean I can't stick the OEMs back in if I sell the car?

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

Cheers dude, much appreciated, as is everyones suggestions and input on this thread. Will the speakers come with self tappers or fixing screws etc? What size drill bit you think I need?

they should come with the screws if they've never been fitted,should only need a smal ish bit its only to drill out the self tappers (6-8mm i think)

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

Just bought a pair of them Alpine SPS-171As! £53.99 Delivered on ebay. Brand new and never fitted to his car. He had good feedback so will see what they are like when they arrive!
Next question, who would like to help me install them at the meet? And don't be shy people! :winky:

you bring the cordless drill mate and we can do it...

and a dremmel :winky:

(cos those tweeters are a little larger than oem)

Wounded, don't have a cordless Dremmel...

Is changing these speakers going to mean I can't stick the OEMs back in if I sell the car?

not unless you have a rivit gun!

Kazi · January 14, 2009

I have a Dremmel with a selection of adaptors for it, would bringing in the different ends in and using the cordless drill be easy enough?

Maybe DJ Wozza can shed some light on this...., although the back of yours look dead neat and tidy.

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!

then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

DJ Wozza · January 14, 2009

In all honesty, for the money you have paid for them, surely easier to leave them in ?

I wouldn't have gone down the secondhand route unless the guy specified on the auction they hadn't been

out of the box and had a reciept. Aaron bought some from E-Bay and they erm didn't perform well. I do

really hope these are ok mate.

As for the wiring, from memory the OE wiring splits once it reaches the door, with the tweeters having a

capacitor as the crossover to prevent the bass reaching the tweeter.

This diagram should help, it shows the wire colour and the fact the speakers are wired in parallel.

The feed wires for the Passenger Door (purple+ & blue-) then go into the input + & - on the crossover, then the

wires on the crossovers are clearly marked for woofer & tweeter. Check the polarity carefully on both input & output

on the crossover, or the speaker will be pushing instead of pulling and will lose bass.

The Drivers Door should be Lime Green+ Turquoise- and then you should be done.

Don't forget you can cut the existing speakers to use as mounts/spacers, buy Vectra ones from Hellfrauds,

of if you handy with some MDF, make your own.

Also I would suggest soldering wiring connections & use heatshrink, never use scotchlocks !!

Kazi · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!
then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

Cheers Redz_uk and DJ Wozza, I owe you one! Nobody mentioned I need an adaptor though is this the adaptor? Click Me

As for the speakers dude, they are new. He specifically stated that they were boxed and unused....

DJ Wozza · January 14, 2009

The reason you need a speaker adaptor/spacer is the OE Lexus speaker has the spacer ring bonded to it,

(which you can cut & re-use but means the OE speaker is fit for the bin).

The reason there is a ring in the first place is that the speaker needs to be away from the door panel to allow

the window to rise/fall correctly without hitting the magnet. Also that wiring diagram colours should be correct

but just incase follow the wiring back from the tweeter & woofer when you remove them.

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!
then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

Cheers Redz_uk and DJ Wozza, I owe you one! Nobody mentioned I need an adaptor though is this the adaptor? Click Me

As for the speakers dude, they are new. He specifically stated that they were boxed and unused....

i have no idea which is the correct one mate as i made my own!!

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!
then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

Cheers Redz_uk and DJ Wozza, I owe you one! Nobody mentioned I need an adaptor though is this the adaptor? Click Me

As for the speakers dude, they are new. He specifically stated that they were boxed and unused....

i have no idea which is the correct one mate as i made my own!!

ive got these here

but ill be making mdf ones in the summer

redz_UK · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!
then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

Cheers Redz_uk and DJ Wozza, I owe you one! Nobody mentioned I need an adaptor though is this the adaptor? Click Me

As for the speakers dude, they are new. He specifically stated that they were boxed and unused....

i have no idea which is the correct one mate as i made my own!!

ive got these here

but ill be making mdf ones in the summer

u sure there 5 1/4"??

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

i have a cordless dremmel type device but i just used a stanley knife!!
then stick it to the bracket that the oem one came on..

you will also need a speaker adaptor or an mdf baffle

will bring a bag of tricks.. it may be a long day!

Cheers Redz_uk and DJ Wozza, I owe you one! Nobody mentioned I need an adaptor though is this the adaptor? Click Me

As for the speakers dude, they are new. He specifically stated that they were boxed and unused....

i have no idea which is the correct one mate as i made my own!!

ive got these here

but ill be making mdf ones in the summer

u sure there 5 1/4"??

yeah,still got the box :winky:

DJ Wozza · January 14, 2009

Sorry Aaron, I'm sure they should be 6 1/2" ones ie like those from the Vauxhall Vectra

@Kazi I am pretty sure they are the ones mate, check the woofer size against the Alpine before you try to fit.

I think those you have linked to are adjustable to take the smaller speakers as well.

EDIT****

These are what you need LINKY :D

aaronabbott · January 14, 2009

Sorry Aaron, I'm sure they should be 6 1/2" ones ie like those from the Vauxhall Vectra
@Kazi I am pretty sure they are the ones mate, check the woofer size against the Alpine before you try to fit.

I think those you have linked to are adjustable to take the smaller speakers as well.

yeah,sorry my mistake i had the wrong box out it was for my gf's old corsa,kazi has the right ones just checked the code

Kazi · January 14, 2009

I'll nip into Halfords tomorrow and check stock of those ones in my link, I'll buy them a bit nearer the time and bring them along, if they are no good and the box is unopened im sure Halfords will take them back. Think the ones you've just found Dj Wozza are the same ones as Halfords ones. Even has the same part number on the box, just Halfords have listed it wrong on their page.