Tte Intercooler Upgrade/replacement

[DJ Wozza]

Cheers Gord :)

Do you like the night time effect for shows and meets in the video/pictures etc ?

After living with the new intercooler for the past couple of weeks, it seems to honestly only be better at

motorway speeds (or possibly higher :winky:). There seems to be no real difference at lower speeds

except an tiny bit above 4,000rpm.

[Gord]

Cheers Gord :)

Do you like the night time effect for shows and meets in the video/pictures etc ?

After living with the new intercooler for the past couple of weeks, it seems to honestly only be better at

motorway speeds (or possibly higher :winky:). There seems to be no real difference at lower speeds

except an tiny bit above 4,000rpm.

I would have to see your car at night (myself) for the full effect mate, im sure i will @ jae :D

When i had the big intercooler fitted, it was best on the motorway to :D you will also find better in the winter toooo :D as its cold

[Anees]

When I fitted a large intercooler to my BMW I experienced what Gord is saying. When the weather is cold the car is much more responsive and great on the motorway too because of all that cool air. What I really need to do is look at some proper ducting for it.

Also Wozza, have you thought of a I/C water spray button next? ;) Its basically a waterpump, nozzles, and some plastic tubing. Not sure how mucn difference it will make, but its ANOTHER BUTTON :D

[Gord]

When I fitted a large intercooler to my BMW I experienced what Gord is saying. When the weather is cold the car is much more responsive and great on the motorway too because of all that cool air. What I really need to do is look at some proper ducting for it.

Also Wozza, have you thought of a I/C water spray button next? ;) Its basically a waterpump, nozzles, and some plastic tubing. Not sure how mucn difference it will make, but its ANOTHER BUTTON :D

Im sure it would work well in Alaska :shutit: well cold there

[84Stoney]

I've missed this until now (holiday ect.)

I, like most still on the TTE cooler, have been considering an upgrade, and not keep to cut/remove crash bar. Nice walk-thru Wozza, pity you can't dyno it, cos that'd be what i really wanna know!

To answer a question further up, you can dyno auto supras cos you can lock them in gear to prevent kick down, something is200 autos like Wozzas cannot do.

I think the lights look kinda cool (my mate used to have neons on his 700hp supra and it looked cool, though his cooler was bigger than the radiators in my house!). But I am a little suprised to see it form you Woz, I got the impression you were more subtle sleeper (like mine before the indution kit!) than McDonalds car park chav!

Personally, used sparingly, I like it.

[DJ Wozza]

used sparingly at meets, it's not chav at all

[Bazza]

used sparingly at meets, it's not chav at all

so if i only wear my burberry cap at meets i want be classed as a chav

[DJ Wozza]

I only have a cap with Nurburgring written on it so I'm no chav

[tdiplc]

how come auto supras can/are dyno'd all the time, even my IS300 was dyno'd at TDI of all places......who alwasy said you cant dyno autos.

Please allow me to try and help you with this.

Of course it is possible to dyno an automatic car, but the big issue of relevancy is to do with recording meaningful data. By "meaningful" I mean accurate and repeatable data.

Some of the main issues to consider when dyno-ing an automatic transmission are:

1. The transmission will "kick down" into a lower gear at full throttle.

a. The dyno needs to see a single consistant gear to enable it to calculate the engine speed, so "kicking down" to a lower gear is a big problem.

b. Some dyno operators run automatic cars at less than full throttle to avoid the kick down switch. A power run at less than full throttle is pointless because it has no accuracy.

c. It is possible to run the engine from the speed above which the transmission kicks down. This will give approximately half a power curve so is of little value.

2. Most automatic transmissions do not have a feature to allow the torque convertor to be locked up, which means that the power recorded at the wheels/hubs will not be consistant from one run to the next so therefore it will have little value.

3. The automatic transmission fluid viscosity is relative to it's temperature which affects the amount of torque transmitted to the wheels/hubs, so unless it's temperature is monitored and stabilised the recorded data has limited value.

None of the above issues are completely insurmountable but they are unlikely to be resolved as part of a £40 power run.

I hope this helps.

By the way djwozza, good effort with your intercooler.

[DJ Wozza]

Thank you Mark

[Anees]

Its been a while, so thought I'd ask if you were still happy with your eBay intercooler? Anything to report? :D

[DJ Wozza]

I thought of you tonight, that is such a coincidence OMG !!

On the way to work it was between 2 & 4 degrees, and the car just felt soooo responsive on the throttle,

really surging when I just touched the gas. I was having a lot of fun, but I could feel the road surface was

a little bit damp & slippery so wasn't going to take the p......

Was 0-1 degrees on the way home so took it easy, but with the way it responded earlier, it has got me

thinking about moving the number plate slightly for even better air flow

[Steviewevie]

I thought of you tonight, that is such a coincidence OMG !!

Ahh, it's so nice to have a bit of romance on the forum :winky:

[DJ Wozza]

I thought of Anees as he mentioned to earlier in this thread

When I fitted a large intercooler to my BMW I experienced what Gord is saying. When the weather is cold the car is much more responsive and great on the motorway too because of all that cool air. What I really need to do is look at some proper ducting for it.

[brice1ie]

I thought of Anees as he mentioned to earlier in this thread

When I fitted a large intercooler to my BMW I experienced what Gord is saying. When the weather is cold the car is much more responsive and great on the motorway too because of all that cool air. What I really need to do is look at some proper ducting for it.

The reason its better is that the air is denser on a cold day.. so there are more molecules of air in a given space giving a better compression ratio in the chamber for combusting.. (so in theory is should be more repsonsive with less throttle on a cold english day than on a hot spanish day) density is the mass divided by the volume.

(comes from jet engine theory but same theory for combusting gases)

[Anees]

I thought of Anees as he mentioned to earlier in this thread

When I fitted a large intercooler to my BMW I experienced what Gord is saying. When the weather is cold the car is much more responsive and great on the motorway too because of all that cool air. What I really need to do is look at some proper ducting for it.

Recently the car has been like a ballistic missile in the cold weather and a joy to drive with ice cold air - just so much responsive and wheel spinning if I am not careful up to 3rd/4th gear. I have noticed (don't know if you have the same Wozza) but in heavy traffic I do suffer from heatsoak so the car is slower and less responsive due to the heat. I think with some proper ducting it should help big style, if I ever get round to doing it!

[aztecbandit1]

You can also buy charge cooler kits like the cryo systems that spray C02 onto the intercooler to keep them nice and cold or there are water spray kits that do the same but probably not as affective as the c02 systems? I had a cryo kit fitted to my RS escort and seemed to work well at the time and i used to get the bottle refilled at my local fire station for a small donation? so you basicaly have cold air on tap and dont have to wait for the winter to arrive :)

Bit of info on the Cry02 kit from the Demon tweeks website -

The Cry02tm Intercooler Sprayer mounts directly to the front of the intercooler or after cooler and vents the liquid Co2 directly onto the cooling fins thus enhancing the performance of the intercooler by more than 50%. This component must always be the last in the Cry02tm system as it vents the liquid Co2 charge.

The CryO2 is a revolutionary award winning product designed to reduce the temperature of the air/fuel intake charge thus creating power. Through the science of aerodynamics and cryogenics, Design Engineering has developed a system to harness the cryogenic properties of liquid Carbon Dioxide to lower the air/fuel intake charge by up to 60%. The system is modular and can be easily expanded.

[Anees]

You can also buy charge cooler kits like the cryo systems that spray C02 onto the intercooler to keep them nice and cold or there are water spray kits that do the same but probably not as affective as the c02 systems? I had a cryo kit fitted to my RS escort and seemed to work well at the time and i used to get the bottle refilled at my local fire station for a small donation? so you basicaly have cold air on tap and dont have to wait for the winter to arrive :)

Bit of info on the Cry02 kit from the Demon tweeks website -

The Cry02tm Intercooler Sprayer mounts directly to the front of the intercooler or after cooler and vents the liquid Co2 directly onto the cooling fins thus enhancing the performance of the intercooler by more than 50%. This component must always be the last in the Cry02tm system as it vents the liquid Co2 charge.

The CryO2 is a revolutionary award winning product designed to reduce the temperature of the air/fuel intake charge thus creating power. Through the science of aerodynamics and cryogenics, Design Engineering has developed a system to harness the cryogenic properties of liquid Carbon Dioxide to lower the air/fuel intake charge by up to 60%. The system is modular and can be easily expanded.

Useful info that Chris - many thanks :D I have seem a few intercooler water sprayers on eBay and always been sceptical, but this Cry02 kit looks good. ;)