220d Re-call X 2

[GWilso]

Sorry if this has been brought up elsewhere but:

I was at my dealer yesterday to have some new alloys put on under warranty and a few other bits and pieces I brought up the issue of poor fuel consumption and they advised me that the day prior they had received a new software update from Lexus GB for the ecu (which I have had) and they were in the process of arranging a recall for all models. And anyone who has not had the 5th injector replaced can soon expect a recall soon also, (are things looking up?)

Apparently - so I've been told the only difference I will spot with the updated ECU is the idle speed......... Can't say I've noticed anything

I had a loan of the RX400h for the day what a machine absolutely loved the drive but I felt that the interior was bit cheap :shutit:

[Scarlet Pimpernell]

Not again

[greatouse]

My IS220D is booked in for a service next week and when I mentioned that it was giving poor fuel consumption AND poor power they mentioned ithere is a recall going out very soon for replacing the 5th injector and an ECU remap... I'm getting mine done on the service, so I'll revert with the improved fuel economy figures! If they don't improve you will see me posting on the BMW owners club next!

I'm currently getting 34 to 38mpg regardless of how I drive, and pulling away from a standing start is abysmal.

Apart from that, a great car with all the toys. Just a shame it doesn't have performance and economy to match (or beat) a BMW 320D

[PMY]

Sorry if this has been brought up elsewhere but:

I was at my dealer yesterday to have some new alloys put on under warranty and a few other bits and pieces I brought up the issue of poor fuel consumption and they advised me that the day prior they had received a new software update from Lexus GB for the ecu (which I have had) and they were in the process of arranging a recall for all models. And anyone who has not had the 5th injector replaced can soon expect a recall soon also, (are things looking up?)

Apparently - so I've been told the only difference I will spot with the updated ECU is the idle speed......... Can't say I've noticed anything

I had a loan of the RX400h for the day what a machine absolutely loved the drive but I felt that the interior was bit cheap :shutit:

I am a new IS 220d owner and bought a 06 model with only 6k on the clock. I was only getting 32 to the gallon including a steady run from Derby to Newcastle.

I registered my concern with the Dealer who changed the 5th injector, which made little difference, they eventually agreed to exchange the vehicle.

Unfortunately I have had to buy a newer model at an extra cost just to get the sort of consumption detailed in the promotion material.

The dealer has been good but Lexus have shown no support to me or the dealer. I have spoken to customer services who said the fuel figs. were only indicative!

That there was northing they could or would do! So much for Lexus legendary customer service!

[greatouse]

I wrote in May about my poor consumption figures. the car has apparently had the 5th injector mod and ECU remap, but consumption is still abysmal. Still averaging 34 to 38 irrespective of driving styles, journey types etc. Car is back in tomorrow, interestingly also for alloys replacement under warranty as per the note below. Will also be mentioning the poor consumption again and that if it doesn't improve I will be selling up. This is likely to be costing me circa £1000 per year in fuel. Not impressed.

[Maz]

Did you guys get a letter to say there a recall? i never did get a letter from Lexus for the 5th injector recall, only got a letter for a rubber mats recall few weeks ago, but then i didnt have any rubber in my... ;) ;) ;) ;)

[dgman]

yes,i had my recall letter about four weeks ago,it goes in for that and 40k service on july 17th.

[Mypushbikeisfasterthanthis]

yes,i had my recall letter about four weeks ago,it goes in for that and 40k service on july 17th.

I had my recall letter 4 weeks ago & the 5th injector was replaced again (for the 4th time) but it didn't stop my breaking down again last week. 70,000 miles & 6 breakdowns isn't what I expected from a Lexus - not to mention 32mpg...

[dgman]

there must be something else wrong,have you had your injectors tested as mine is almost 43mpg consistently.if i were in your position i would pursue the dealer under the sale of goods act.

[Monsterped]

Hi All

new member on here, wished I'd found it 7 months ago when choosing the IS220d...

Mine has been plaugue with poor power, poor consumption and such poor throttle response when pulling way that it's nearly cause collisions on about 5 or 6 occassions. The car is a late 2007 IS220d.

To date it's had the following under warranty:

New common rail

New bleed down valve

new injectors

new 5th injector twice (plus modified I think!)

new exhaust gas recycling valve (EGR)

about 4 ecu remaps

fingers crossed, this has improved the car no end and it's very nearly a pleasure to drive again - the new EGR seems to have made the biggest impact - worth naggingyour dealer about if it's not already done. I also understand from a friend in the trade that there are new injectors being fitted of a different design as the originals "dribble" and eventually coke up the inlet manifold causing the power loss. The new ones are Nippon Denso piezos apparently

Fuel economy is now low to mid 40s and response and power are vastly improved

[Jamie46]

Having complained on numerous occasions about the fuel consumption of my IS220d and the dealer having tried this and that I have now had the 5th injector replaced and the EMC re-mapped etc and fuel consumption has improved to 32mpg on a run (dual carriageway), providing I drive steadily. But when I was given an identical courtesy car, another IS220d, I got over 47mpg. The dealer said I could bring it back if I still wasn’t satisfied with my car but I got the distinct impression they did not know what else they could do. One of the Telegraph’s motoring correspondents recommended I take it to a fuel injection specialist as he said there was something serious wrong. Has anyone tried this and is there a firm anyone could recommend?

[Steve ( West Mids )]

has improved to 32mpg

That's shocking :(

[Monsterped]

Having complained on numerous occasions about the fuel consumption of my IS220d and the dealer having tried this and that I have now had the 5th injector replaced and the EMC re-mapped etc and fuel consumption has improved to 32mpg on a run (dual carriageway), providing I drive steadily. But when I was given an identical courtesy car, another IS220d, I got over 47mpg. The dealer said I could bring it back if I still wasn’t satisfied with my car but I got the distinct impression they did not know what else they could do. One of the Telegraph’s motoring correspondents recommended I take it to a fuel injection specialist as he said there was something serious wrong. Has anyone tried this and is there a firm anyone could recommend?

Assuming your car is still in warranty, throw it back to the dealer. 32mpg is sh*te.

Your dealer should have all the service bulletins relating to the injector swap (to Denso items), 5th injector change, Exhaust Gas Recycling valve change and ECU remap which should get close to sorting it. These are well know nods within the dealer network. Just changing the 5th injector won't sort it, the ERG valve needs doing too and the Denso injectors don't leak and mess up the fueling. You may also want to suggest they change the Bleed Down Valve on the common rail - it bleeds off excess fuel pressure

[stewiegriffin]

My mpg has been getting worse. Initially I was getting about 42mpg consistently, my wife even managed 50 on a run to Newcastle & back. Now my indicated average is about 36 & tank average about 33.

I've done 55k miles in 2 years, had the 5th injector replaced & the ecu remapped once. Could my worsening mpg be because the egr valve etc has not been done? Am I likely to have any joy with the dealer on this?

[griffjnr]

After reading all the posts about the IS220d and fuel consumption I was looking forward to my 20,000 mile service. Before the service I was getting 36-38mpg. I spoke to the dealer in Hedge End (Southampton) and they told me there was a recall on the 5th injector and things should improve after the service. My friends who both own 220d's as well get 40-45mpg even after driving at 80 on the motorway.

I took the car in during September and the fuel economy has gotten worse! I now get 32mpg if I am lucky. I called the dealer and am taking it in tomorrow. The lady in the dealership said that my mpg wasn't that bad and that the figures in the brochure were exaggerated and they get similar mileage in their demos.

I bought my 06 Lexus 220d SEL in May last year when it was 10 months old, its still under warranty and I am annoyed that other people are getting good mileage when I am not. I will let you know how I get on but I am beginning to think it might be a serious problem with the engine. Has anyone else experienced this?

[JFB2]

After reading all the posts about the IS220d and fuel consumption I was looking forward to my 20,000 mile service. Before the service I was getting 36-38mpg. I spoke to the dealer in Hedge End (Southampton) and they told me there was a recall on the 5th injector and things should improve after the service. My friends who both own 220d's as well get 40-45mpg even after driving at 80 on the motorway.

I took the car in during September and the fuel economy has gotten worse! I now get 32mpg if I am lucky. I called the dealer and am taking it in tomorrow. The lady in the dealership said that my mpg wasn't that bad and that the figures in the brochure were exaggerated and they get similar mileage in their demos.

I bought my 06 Lexus 220d SEL in May last year when it was 10 months old, its still under warranty and I am annoyed that other people are getting good mileage when I am not. I will let you know how I get on but I am beginning to think it might be a serious problem with the engine. Has anyone else experienced this?

I have an 06 220d with 19,500 miles on it, and the mpg is stuck at 36-38, which I am resigned to accepting. Not great for a diesel, but the IS is a really heavy car. My next car will be petrol, as there is now a 15p per litre premium for diesel over petrol in these parts. If it gets any worse, definitely go back to the dealer, but 35mpg is not horrendous.

[Boothby Coggles]

Assuming your car is still in warranty, throw it back to the dealer. 32mpg is sh*te.

Your dealer should have all the service bulletins relating to the injector swap (to Denso items), 5th injector change, Exhaust Gas Recycling valve change and ECU remap which should get close to sorting it. These are well know nods within the dealer network. Just changing the 5th injector won't sort it, the ERG valve needs doing too and the Denso injectors don't leak and mess up the fueling. You may also want to suggest they change the Bleed Down Valve on the common rail - it bleeds off excess fuel pressure

I have averaged just under 40 mpg, (& this is getting lower, from about 41.5 in August), since I bought my 06 220d about a year ago, but some of this is probably due my using Millers DPS 4 since mid-July. I had the 5th injector change & ecu remap in mid-Aug. When I had this done I queried the EGR valve & was told that it wasn't something that was normally changed.

If it weren't for these factors I imagine I would probably now be somewhere around 37mpg average.

I can now only achieve 40/42 on a run if I take it very steadily and keep an eye on the revs all the time. If I drove it "normally" I reckon the consumption would be below 40, again somewhere around the 37 mark, or maybe lower.

Can any one tell me if the consumption I'm now getting is reasonable and if I should be able to get the injectors, EGR & bleed down valve changed, and will this improve things. Or would I be wasting my time?

Many thanks

Boothby

[griffjnr]

Assuming your car is still in warranty, throw it back to the dealer. 32mpg is sh*te.

Your dealer should have all the service bulletins relating to the injector swap (to Denso items), 5th injector change, Exhaust Gas Recycling valve change and ECU remap which should get close to sorting it. These are well know nods within the dealer network. Just changing the 5th injector won't sort it, the ERG valve needs doing too and the Denso injectors don't leak and mess up the fueling. You may also want to suggest they change the Bleed Down Valve on the common rail - it bleeds off excess fuel pressure

I have averaged just under 40 mpg, (& this is getting lower, from about 41.5 in August), since I bought my 06 220d about a year ago, but some of this is probably due my using Millers DPS 4 since mid-July. I had the 5th injector change & ecu remap in mid-Aug. When I had this done I queried the EGR valve & was told that it wasn't something that was normally changed.

If it weren't for these factors I imagine I would probably now be somewhere around 37mpg average.

I can now only achieve 40/42 on a run if I take it very steadily and keep an eye on the revs all the time. If I drove it "normally" I reckon the consumption would be below 40, again somewhere around the 37 mark, or maybe lower.

Can any one tell me if the consumption I'm now getting is reasonable and if I should be able to get the injectors, EGR & bleed down valve changed, and will this improve things. Or would I be wasting my time?

Many thanks

Boothby

Guys,

Went to the dealer yesterday and they ran a diagnostic which showed nothing was wrong with the car. The lady at the service desk was a little unhelpful and stated again that all their demos only got 34 mpg and it was normal. She said the figures were based on perfect driving conditions with no environmental factors! I mention the EGR and the bleed down valve and she stated they did not need to be changed. The car came back washed but I feel I wasted a Saturday morning and am no closer to a result.

I mentioned that a guy at work has the same car and he gets in the low 40's and she suggested I let him drive my car to see what he got. I think I will try the dealership in Plymouth where I am working at the moment and see what they say.

[stewiegriffin]

An update on my mpg...

Generally been getting about 35mpg lately on a mix of driving after having about 42 mpg for the best part of 2 years since I got the car. This is the figure given on the computer & it ties up fairly well with my own calcs.

I tried resetting the computer on a straight motorway run about 30 miles at about 70 mph gave me just below 39 mpg.

The dealer has said there is nothing they can adjust, that winter conditions reduce mpg but given that this is my 3rd winter with the car I've never had such a pronounced dip. They basically did the old unplug the Battery & let the system reset trick which unsurprisingly seems to have had no effect.

So really nothing new to report & more importantly no improvement.

I pointed out that I got the same mpg with the IS250 auto courtesy car & that there seemed no benefit in the diesel - apparently a lot of customers say that. I think possibly in a few months it might be more a case that that's what a lot of ex-customers used to say...

[Boothby Coggles]

An update on my mpg...

Generally been getting about 35mpg lately on a mix of driving after having about 42 mpg for the best part of 2 years since I got the car. This is the figure given on the computer & it ties up fairly well with my own calcs.

I tried resetting the computer on a straight motorway run about 30 miles at about 70 mph gave me just below 39 mpg.

The dealer has said there is nothing they can adjust, that winter conditions reduce mpg but given that this is my 3rd winter with the car I've never had such a pronounced dip. They basically did the old unplug the battery & let the system reset trick which unsurprisingly seems to have had no effect.

So really nothing new to report & more importantly no improvement.

I pointed out that I got the same mpg with the IS250 auto courtesy car & that there seemed no benefit in the diesel - apparently a lot of customers say that. I think possibly in a few months it might be more a case that that's what a lot of ex-customers used to say...

I recently had my car in to Lexus Hull & whilst it was there I asked them to have a look at the consumption, as feel that it has been dropping since the 5th injector was done.

When it was returned to me their driver had got 42.3 out of it on a 40 mile trip at an average of about 45mph, which is better than anything I had achieved.

I had a run down to Leicestershire a day or so later & got about 37 on the outward journey & 42.4 on the return, by a slightly different route. The consumption difference, I think, was probably due to using 6th gear at about 74mph where I could on the A1, but didn't use it at all on the return. It's early days yet, but I will be interested to see if the consumption stays at this sort of level.

The service manager at Hull had rung me after the work had been carried out. The ECU had been reset as was the case with your car I think, but he said that they had also carried out latest software upgrade as well. Question is, have they done that to yours as well as the reset?

[stewiegriffin]

I recently had my car in to Lexus Hull & whilst it was there I asked them to have a look at the consumption, as feel that it has been dropping since the 5th injector was done.

When it was returned to me their driver had got 42.3 out of it on a 40 mile trip at an average of about 45mph, which is better than anything I had achieved.

I had a run down to Leicestershire a day or so later & got about 37 on the outward journey & 42.4 on the return, by a slightly different route. The consumption difference, I think, was probably due to using 6th gear at about 74mph where I could on the A1, but didn't use it at all on the return. It's early days yet, but I will be interested to see if the consumption stays at this sort of level.

The service manager at Hull had rung me after the work had been carried out. The ECU had been reset as was the case with your car I think, but he said that they had also carried out latest software upgrade as well. Question is, have they done that to yours as well as the reset?

I don't know if the ecu software was upgraded, although usually the service consultants are keen to tell you what's been done. To be fair, the car was serviced on Monday & I was fairly dismissive at first, although since I filled up a couple of days ago my tank average is 37, only a slight improvement but really too early to tell. I'll keep an eye on it over the next couple of weeks. 42 is fairly respectable though (for the Lexus), hopefully it'll stay at that level for you.

[Monsterped]

My 57 plate IS220d has had all the mods suggested (although the fuel pump is a new one to me) and was returning something like low to mid 40's to the gallon. Since the 40K service it occurred to me that the car was using a lot of fuel so a few checks after refills revealed that it was something like 35-36 mpg - typical motorway and A road journeys, not caning it by any means.

Lexus had the car back (and lent me an IS250 SR which gave 38mpg on a trip to Exeter...) and reported nothing wrong but they wanted to change the catalytic converter. Subsequently the car will only break the 40 barrier if driven very conservatively on a motorway, anywhere else and it's around 37 ish - 404 miles for 50 litres of diesel.

Spoke to the dealer again who assured me they got 46-48 mpg on a 40 mile test but they would want it back to look at it again.

What else could it be?

Everytime I start to like this car again, it goes and does something sh*te - an additional 2.5p per mile running costs is not funny when I do 3000 ish miles per month

Unfortunately I have this car for probably another 50k miles..... arse!

Shoulda had an Alfa, much nicer to look at....

[stewiegriffin]

Shoulda had an Alfa, much nicer to look at....

I looked at the 159 before going for the IS. Who knows maybe I should've had the Alfa too!

My car is due for replacement in 6 months & really don't think it'll be another IS diesel - too early to give it any serious thought but don't really have a clue as to what I'll go for.

[cbr1100xx]

After reading all the posts about the IS220d and fuel consumption I was looking forward to my 20,000 mile service. Before the service I was getting 36-38mpg. I spoke to the dealer in Hedge End (Southampton) and they told me there was a recall on the 5th injector and things should improve after the service. My friends who both own 220d's as well get 40-45mpg even after driving at 80 on the motorway.

I took the car in during September and the fuel economy has gotten worse! I now get 32mpg if I am lucky. I called the dealer and am taking it in tomorrow. The lady in the dealership said that my mpg wasn't that bad and that the figures in the brochure were exaggerated and they get similar mileage in their demos.

I bought my 06 Lexus 220d SEL in May last year when it was 10 months old, its still under warranty and I am annoyed that other people are getting good mileage when I am not. I will let you know how I get on but I am beginning to think it might be a serious problem with the engine. Has anyone else experienced this?

[cbr1100xx]

After reading all the posts about the IS220d and fuel consumption I was looking forward to my 20,000 mile service. Before the service I was getting 36-38mpg. I spoke to the dealer in Hedge End (Southampton) and they told me there was a recall on the 5th injector and things should improve after the service. My friends who both own 220d's as well get 40-45mpg even after driving at 80 on the motorway.

I took the car in during September and the fuel economy has gotten worse! I now get 32mpg if I am lucky. I called the dealer and am taking it in tomorrow. The lady in the dealership said that my mpg wasn't that bad and that the figures in the brochure were exaggerated and they get similar mileage in their demos.

I bought my 06 Lexus 220d SEL in May last year when it was 10 months old, its still under warranty and I am annoyed that other people are getting good mileage when I am not. I will let you know how I get on but I am beginning to think it might b