Heel-toe Action

[flotsam]

Isn't it double de-clutching?

Some racing cars have special pedals where the accelerator curves round the brake pedal. Some road cars have the accelerator closer to the brake.

Shouldn't need it with synchromesh.

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Not really, its continuing to use the gas pedal with your toes while braking with your heel, for rallye style cornering. It enables better synchronised downshifting while braking (double clutching or not), and it makes for a quicker corner exit, even more so as the turbos are then spooled up already.

RX-Men-8

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Errrml, no!

The term is "double de-clutching" NOT "double-clutching" and it's not just for rallye style cornering it's used on the race track too. I know I've used it.

It's called heel and toe but these days it's really the left part of your foot on the brake and the right part blipping the throttle. There is NO POINT in using it on a car with synchromesh.

The point is to get into a low gear and use engine braking on the entry to a corner not on the exit, ready for pulling away.

[RX-Men-8]

Isn't it double de-clutching?

Some racing cars have special pedals where the accelerator curves round the brake pedal. Some road cars have the accelerator closer to the brake.

Shouldn't need it with synchromesh.

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Not really, its continuing to use the gas pedal with your toes while braking with your heel, for rallye style cornering. It enables better synchronised downshifting while braking (double clutching or not), and it makes for a quicker corner exit, even more so as the turbos are then spooled up already.

RX-Men-8

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Errrml, no!

The term is "double de-clutching" NOT "double-clutching" and it's not just for rallye style cornering it's used on the race track too. I know I've used it.

It's called heel and toe but these days it's really the left part of your foot on the brake and the right part blipping the throttle. There is NO POINT in using it on a car with synchromesh.

The point is to get into a low gear and use engine braking on the entry to a corner not on the exit, ready for pulling away.

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Not disagreeing with you mate ;) I was maybe a bit too losse with the terms :) It's just that you can double de-clutch (sorry) without heel-and-toe, like in the uphill downshift example above (then you're not braking) and you can do heel-and-toe maneuvres without needing to double de-clutch. Indeed, synchromeshes are there so you don't need to tread the clutch twice.

Cheers,

RX-Men-8

[Diapason]

Well, having read the answers it seems I'm not alone. I knew it was a racing thing first and foremost, but I had heard it mentioned a few times and I wondered if it was a common practice among enthusiasts that I simply didn't know about. Apparently not! :P

Si

[RichEO]

The IS seems to be really badly set up for any heel toe action IMO, the accelerator pedal is set quite low and distant from the brake, the engine is lazy and not really blip-able.

You would have to give it quite a lengthy stab to get the revs up

Resurrecting an old post I know but I was going to make a new one on the same lines.

Can anyone actually heel and toe easily in the IS. I find it really difficult, the accelerator is too far away from the brake pedal to reach it with the side of my foot. It is also too high up to press with my heel (prefer side of foot anyway but any way will do!).

I could do it in my old car, and my mate can do it in his E36 (floor mounted accelerator though). And neither of us can do it very well (or at all ).

Has anyone tried replacing their pedals to some that allow heel toeing. Or has anyone figured out a technique that makes it possible. Is the sports accelerator pedal in the same location?

[Bloodygoodbloke]

I have small feet so i have no chance

[RichEO]

Was trying it out again today. With light braking I could do it with my foot right on the edge of the brake pedal, but obviously the braking is more important when heel toeing, so I wouldn't trust it like that. Also when braking harder, my pedal has a lot of travel (err, soft) so when the pedal is lower I can't get my foot on the accelerator any more :duh: Everyone else's brake pedal soft? I read another post that says the IS brakes are pretty soft, but good when you push hard, this is how I like it for everyday driving, no harsh stopping when you don't need it, doesn't make a good race car though. Getting to need new pads anyway, will this firm up the pedal?

[elexes]

I meant what everyday driver goes around the corner with the clutch in? I guess he means everyday American drivers?

have you ever driven with ur wife / gf / female friends . i know every woman i know dose that