Car Road Tax

[Boomer54]

With a new govt and a budget on the Autumn horizon I am reading more and more about a potential review of how we pay road tax. The argument seems to be around the substantial hole in revenue that will follow from the intended transition to EV. Clearly there are at least a couple of alternative ways of rectifying that situation. You could continue to in effect subsidise EV road tax just by increasing road tax on non EV vehicles. You could of course balance the situation out by reducing that subsidy gradually increasing the revenue from EV vehicles. This is really very much about the numbers involved and how quickly you want to fill the hole in your revenue. The alternative that intrigues me the most and appeals the most is of course a complete change over to pay per mile road tax. This removes any and all favouritism and basically relates what you use to what you pay and I certainly like the thought of that. One article today suggests the following; "as one think tank suggests a figure of 6p per mile plus VAT to replace fuel duty losses.".

Now if that number actually achieved govt needs to fill it's revenue hole then that would be quite appealing to low mileage users. Example, on 3,000 miles PA you would be paying £225 inc vat ! I mean you can can just add me to the list looking for that 3rd car (sic). Joking aside that would be a huge reduction for us V8 low mileage drivers. If for no other reason it cannot happen. I am just not that lucky !!

Views/opinions invited.

 

[Malc1]

Stephen alias Mystic Meg …….

you’re trying to bring rational thought processing to this anti-Social Socialist Govt ……. might as well say and postulate that only OAPs will have to pay quadruple road tax on all the cars they own ……. and why not indeed 🤣😂

As rational as saying a single car, owner should be paying treble road tax coz he’s only driving one car ! 

Whatever, I’m as interested as you and all else to understand how these “ Financial Black Holes “ will be filled …….. by motorists ……. whatever one’s age  🤔

Malc 

[eightk]

If Holly off Red Dwarf keeps bleating on about the hole she was left with maybe the rest of them need to step away from the JCB and think before giving everybody 15% pay rises.

Teachers, train drivers, GPs, public sector, etc etc.

Killing off pensioners and taxing private school parents isn't going to cover all that.

Motorists are already screwed enough.

[Malc1]

Motorists will never be “ screwed enough “   

Malc 

[Mossypossy]

Levied every year at MOT time?

Replacement speedo at the ready for older cars.

[DavidCM]

12 minutes ago, eightk said:

If Holly off Red Dwarf keeps bleating on about the hole she

I take it you are referring to Rachel Reeves, Queen of Thieves.

[Boomer54]

20 minutes ago, Mossypossy said:

Levied every year at MOT time?

Replacement speedo at the ready for older cars.

It had occurred to me that the old 'clocking' issue might have a revival under a pay per mile scheme.

[Boomer54]

14 minutes ago, DavidCM said:

I take it you are referring to Rachel Reeves, Queen of Thieves.

Despite the winter fuel issue I am still willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. However, that will run out fast if I see anymore social engineering policies heading my way.

[Malc1]

Govt doesn’t need to worry about “ clocking “ or changing the speedo ………. I’m sure it’s all clearly mileage covered observed by some elektrinic wizadry at the  car, captured by Central Govt ……. with newer cars 

Malc 

[Scotlex]

I already pay quite a lot of vehicle tax etc. and don't mind too much but it is very annoying when so little of the money is used for maintaining and improving the roads.

Some of the main trunk roads in Scotland are an absolute disgrace.

[Notamech]

We shouldn't have to pay an annual VED at all in my opinion. The basics of our civic systems taught to us in school seem to tell us that revenue from taxes are used for our benefit. Well i pay income tax, council tax, VAT, annual VED, insurance premium tax and maybe a few other types of taxes for very little benefit...the roads I drive on are average at best. The NHS is a complete **** show. So what benefit am i really getting that the several other taxes I am paying for dont already cover? They should at least give me basic third party insurance for my annual VED. 

It is this sort of thievery that drives people to evade taxes.

[Scotlex]

1 hour ago, Notamech said:

We shouldn't have to pay an annual VED at all in my opinion. The basics of our civic systems taught to us in school seem to tell us that revenue from taxes are used for our benefit. Well i pay income tax, council tax, VAT, annual VED, insurance premium tax and maybe a few other types of taxes for very little benefit...the roads I drive on are average at best. The NHS is a complete **** show. So what benefit am i really getting that the several other taxes I am paying for dont already cover? They should at least give me basic third party insurance for my annual VED. 

It is this sort of thievery that drives people to evade taxes.

Totally agree. Tax payer seems to get very little benefit and taxes will no doubt continue to rise 🙄

[Boomer54]

2 hours ago, Scotlex said:

I already pay quite a lot of vehicle tax etc. and don't mind too much but it is very annoying when so little of the money is used for maintaining and improving the roads.

Some of the main trunk roads in Scotland are an absolute disgrace.

The point you are making is very much at the heart of the conflict of interest between the govt and the electorate. Namely, that wherever you look it is nigh impossible to match up what you pay for with what you get in return. That tangible point of connection is missing. You name it healthcare, education, transportation etc etc. They are all swept up in a collective tax sweep irrespective of use . I am just cynical enough to believe this system has not arisen by accident. Now those of us with some kind of social conscience can see the upside to this, but I think along the way many of us have begun to wonder at what point does this stop being what we thought it should be. Not just caring for vunerable people ,but rewarding people/groups who frankly have no right being rewarded. Tomorrow I shall post my grand solution !!!

 

NOoooo, it's gone dark, where are you taking me?????

[Boomer54]

1 minute ago, Boomer54 said:

The point you are making is very much at the heart of the conflict of interest between the govt and the electorate. Namely, that wherever you look it is nigh impossible to match up what you pay for with what you get in return. That tangible point of connection is missing. You name it healthcare, education, transportation etc etc. They are all swept up in a collective tax sweep irrespective of use . I am just cynical enough to believe this system has not arisen by accident. Now those of us with some kind of social conscience can see the upside to this, but I think along the way many of us have begun to wonder at what point does this stop being what we thought it should be. Not just caring for vunerable people ,but rewarding people/groups who frankly have no right being rewarded. Tomorrow I shall post my grand solution !!!

 

NOoooo, it's gone dark, where are you taking me?????

Panic over they tell me I am being taken to be inducted into The Hall Of Fame !

[Boomer54]

Just now, Boomer54 said:

Panic over they tell me I am being taken to be inducted into The Hall Of Fame !

What do you mean "hard of hearing" ...Flame !!

[Malc1]

Might be interesting if someone had the ability, cleverness to determine the total £££££ cost of running and holding Parliament, wages salaries, MPs total costs ……… overhead costs of that big House too …….. all their amazing expenses too …….. just to see how much per capita of uk population it could be 

Ah not to forget how much a rich sheikh or other might pay rent for no. 10 Downing Street 

C’mon someone clever ……. wots the answer, £££££ figure we’re being screwed over  ? 
 

In the name of democracy of course  🤔🤞

Malc 

[Scotlex]

Why do we require so many MP's and councillors etc..(who don't seem to achieve much 🙄).

We could easily make half redundant and save a fortune 😀

[Malc1]

Wotwot wot …….., who’s paying THAT redundancy bill …… ah simple ……. Tax OAPs more to clear this ever enlarging Social Black Hole …… then those redundants unemployment benefits ……. DWP lots of “ other “ style benefits ……. you’ve opened that can o’worms now 😂🤣😄😳

Malc 

[Boomer54]

45 minutes ago, Scotlex said:

Why do we require so many MP's and councillors etc..(who don't seem to achieve much 🙄).

We could easily make half redundant and save a fortune 😀

I actually find it strange that in this digital world in which we live one of the areas that hardly ever seems to come for discussion is the potential effect of AI on government and how it could all be utilised to bring down the costs of same and indeed improve it's effectiveness. So much of what government does is just numbers when you think about it. The stuff that isn't necessarily numbers can easily be farmed out to voters via referendums.

Let us be frank it cannot have escaped all of us that many of our elected officials did not come off the top shelf when it came to handing out that grey stuff between our ears. Consequently, who would doubt that AI capable of giving a Grand Master a good game could also be much better at decision making than our elected officials?

[RONNIE W HODGEKINSON]

6 hours ago, Boomer54 said:

It had occurred to me that the old 'clocking' issue might have a revival under a pay per mile scheme.

Stephen.. Just Give Rachael Reeves A few More Turkey Dinners And EV Users can Possibly Expext the Price Owners are Paying Per KWT/HOUR To Charge there Cars at Home To Rise Significantly Across the UK They Will Get Stuffed with a Huge Hike Per KWT/HR For Christmas.. Cancel The plum Duff..!!!!

[Malc1]

Ai, aye, I for sure ……. now who do we know and trust to get that all ok and right for us Old Codgers …….. and all else 🤔

Theres some guy called, wots is name …… owns some X rated site …… Zelongi Dusk …… He’s the guy that Sir Jeer is chatting to these days ……. let’s trust him, no trust them both ……. well proven of course …….. bound to do good by us dopey Old Codgers eh ! 

Despairing again here 🥵

Malc 

 

[Mr Vlad]

I'm nearly an old codger, ukinell I feel like it lately. 

Car Tax. Too much BS on tinternet and too many good folk falling for it.

The charge per mile is for those daft wats who foolishly bought one of those so called planet saving electric cars. Tho some wine swilling pot smoking dim witted toffy nosed t wat has put their ore in to say wot a gud idea for all motorists. 

Woke. Those ucking bottom holes are to blame for All the s hite that's going on around us. What the hell happened to common sense? 

I feel sorry for the younger generation. Having to put up with the krap given by this utter s hite government. To those who voted for them I put a curse on you. You cretins. 

[Jgtcracer]

Seems simple to me.  If we decide that car tax stays, everyone pays it…. As far as I’m concerned it comes down to what road tax is supposed to do.

 I’d understand if my car somehow caused a bigger burden on the road network and supporting infrastructure but it doesn’t.  I feel road tax should ring fenced and used for maintenance and capital investment, not as a tool to manipulate the public’s behaviour and encourage policies such as electric cars.  I already pay a premium in fuel duty for driving a ‘polluting’ car, why should I get punished twice.  

As said above, I wouldn’t mind if we had quality roads but they are shocking!  I live on the England/Scotland border and it’s terrible everywhere I go…I’d be interested to see financial accounts to understand where the money goes actually.  Bet it goes into flowers on roundabouts!

 Just charge everyone a reasonable, fair and equal amount per year, to use the roads with no one getting off because their car is electric.  Notice I said everyone, that includes £10 a year for a bicycle/horse/scooter etc.

[Boomer54]

11 hours ago, Mr Vlad said:

I'm nearly an old codger, ukinell I feel like it lately. 

Car Tax. Too much BS on tinternet and too many good folk falling for it.

The charge per mile is for those daft wats who foolishly bought one of those so called planet saving electric cars. Tho some wine swilling pot smoking dim witted toffy nosed t wat has put their ore in to say wot a gud idea for all motorists. 

Woke. Those ucking bottom holes are to blame for All the s hite that's going on around us. What the hell happened to common sense? 

I feel sorry for the younger generation. Having to put up with the krap given by this utter s hite government. To those who voted for them I put a curse on you. You cretins. 

One cannot help, but feel, that you are holding back. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? 😉

[Boomer54]

14 minutes ago, Jgtcracer said:

Seems simple to me.  If we decide that car tax stays, everyone pays it…. As far as I’m concerned it comes down to what road tax is supposed to do.

 I’d understand if my car somehow caused a bigger burden on the road network and supporting infrastructure but it doesn’t.  I feel road tax should ring fenced and used for maintenance and capital investment, not as a tool to manipulate the public’s behaviour and encourage policies such as electric cars.  I already pay a premium in fuel duty for driving a ‘polluting’ car, why should I get punished twice.  

As said above, I wouldn’t mind if we had quality roads but they are shocking!  I live on the England/Scotland border and it’s terrible everywhere I go…I’d be interested to see financial accounts to understand where the money goes actually.  Bet it goes into flowers on roundabouts!

 Just charge everyone a reasonable, fair and equal amount per year, to use the roads with no one getting off because their car is electric.  Notice I said everyone, that includes £10 a year for a bicycle/horse/scooter etc.

What chance does the road tax payer really have of understanding what they get for paying road tax? Read the following and tell me you can make a tangible connection between what you pay and what you get.

"The Department for Transport (DfT) is responsible for funding local road renewals and upgrades, while the Ministry of Housing Communities and Local Government provides revenue support to local highways authorities. Local road maintenance expenditure can also be funded by local governments own revenues¹². State and local governments provide the bulk of the funding for repairing and maintaining highways and surface transportation in general³. Nearly as much of the cost of building and maintaining highways now comes from general taxes such as income and sales taxes as comes from gasoline taxes or other “user fees” on drivers"

Could it BE anymore convoluted?