It will be interesting to see...

[Linas.P]

5 minutes ago, GMB said:

 

Nice video  he gives it some stick at 3.3 minutes

 

Not my thing to be fair - I would even call it ungainly looking thing, but Fastback Mustang - yeah would take that any day.

I am not saying I hate or anything, it is good, I like it, but if there is the muscle car, then it must be 1967 Mustang Fastback. GT500 ideally (not the "Eleonora" thing, but the original 60s design).

[GMB]

Ah yes,  the number of times I watched that scene in Bullitt. I even bought the DVD!🫡

 

[Linas.P]

9 minutes ago, GMB said:

Ah yes,  the number of times I watched that scene in Bullitt. I even bought the DVD!🫡

 

This illustrates it perfectly what I mean by "ungainly", Charger looks like typical american car, rolls in corners, tiny wheels hidden deep in the arches, seems like it can go straight, but will roll over in the corner. In contrast Mustang corners almost like modern car, flat and fast also car if perfectly proportioned, perfect overhand front and rear, wheels in the corners, body wrapped tightly around it. It looks sexy!

[Boomer54]

1 hour ago, Linas.P said:

Not by the owners thought.

I agree with your statement - owners tend to be optimistic, everyone else pessimistic... The only thing - I am failing to find examples where the optimist had it? 

LFA maybe? but apart of that luxury coupes (unlike thoroughbred sports car) tend to depreciate. LFA was exception, because it was supercar.

? 

I said adjusted for inflation... do you mean I could have used "normalised" instead... I am confused!

 

My mistake. I posed the question to you, but you didn't post the chart. The chart vertical axis is labelled "normalised" and Iwas trying to ascertain if the poster and I understood that term in the same way.

[Dingle Dell]

2 hours ago, GMB said:

But I really really want a Dodge charger R/T ( even though they are not that quick by today's standards, but that sound..... )

Problem is; I should have bought one 20 yrs ago when they were £12K and not  £ 100K like today.  Anyway I can't afford one so I have a nasty evil rotten old 200t which Linas doesn't like.

Such is life; I nearly bought a Lancia Integrale Evo 1 back around 2008 for just over 10K. Thinking of getting a similar car at some time in the next year or so, and i'm probably going to need to spend 75K+ to get a car of similar condition. Hindsight and all that. Maybe the LV gets traded in for the Evo...

[Jgtcracer]

7 hours ago, Flytvr said:

Trouble is with all these predictions, they tend to follow the same pattern, whereby those that don’t have said car always predict the worst. Arguably, those that do have said car like to be optimistic.

Finally, I believe someone likened the LC to the SC. Not sure that’s wise. The SC was hated by nearly everybody.

I’m inclined to agree with this, the car has had a more favourable reception than the SC.  One thing that’s not being mentioned either is that RCF prices may hold up LC500 V8 values.  For many, the LC500 is a more desirable car and as such will command a premium over an RCF, particularly when it was received so well.  I’d Iove to see good LCs in the £30k range over the next few years but don’t see it happening.

Im not convinced the days of £10-15k F-Cars are coming back either (inflation) so it’s going to influence the V8 LCs too.

The LC500h on the other hand…..

[pfn]

 

[IronLizard]

I've had my eye on the UK LC500 market for a year now, as I was looking to time my purchase with my own personal circumstances, coupled with a favourable entry point.

 

It went quiet over winter as you'd expect, so I tried to lowball on a car in early March, incredibly despite it being on the market for months with seemingly no interest it went the following day as I was thinking about it! The saving grace was his car wasn't fully loaded, it had everything but the ML audio.

Now, by "fully loaded" I mean V8 (obviously) Sport+, HUD,ML audio, I viewed an example ticking all the boxes with less mileage a week later and the rest is history.

Which brings me on to my market observations, I still keep my eye on it now, of the ~20 V8 petrols sitting around, nearly all have a naff spec, not sport+ or either of ML/HUD are missing, anything that has "the lot" Priced at around 50k is shifting well.

[IronLizard]

On 7/30/2024 at 10:02 PM, IronLizard said:

I've had my eye on the UK LC500 market for a year now, as I was looking to time my purchase with my own personal circumstances, coupled with a favourable entry point.

 

It went quiet over winter as you'd expect, so I tried to lowball on a car in early March, incredibly despite it being on the market for months with seemingly no interest it went the following day as I was thinking about it! The saving grace was his car wasn't fully loaded, it had everything but the ML audio.

Now, by "fully loaded" I mean V8 (obviously) Sport+, HUD,ML audio, I viewed an example ticking all the boxes with less mileage a week later and the rest is history.

Which brings me on to my market observations, I still keep my eye on it now, of the ~20 V8 petrols sitting around, nearly all have a naff spec, not sport+ or either of ML/HUD are missing, anything that has "the lot" Priced at around 50k is shifting well.

Just to update, want an LC500 with a v8? You have a mere 11 to choose from on autotrader, want one fully loaded (see above for definition) For around 50k? Tough, all gone barring a yellow one that's VERY keenly priced at £35,990, so what's the catch? 80,000 miles.

It will be interesting to see what happens from here, is a bottom in, or has it just gone quiet as we transition into winter, time will tell.

[Oracle]

2 hours ago, IronLizard said:

Just to update, want an LC500 with a v8? You have a mere 11 to choose from on autotrader, want one fully loaded (see above for definition) For around 50k? Tough, all gone barring a yellow one that's VERY keenly priced at £35,990, so what's the catch? 80,000 miles.

It will be interesting to see what happens from here, is a bottom in, or has it just gone quiet as we transition into winter, time will tell.

I test drove the yellow high mileage one last Saturday. It’s in decent condition for the year, one of the wheel had a bit of a scuff and the tyres were probably due a change. Mileage is 8200 and change (for some reason the dealer can only display in increments of 5,000). There’s also a £200 admin fee. It’s a very busy car supermarket so it’s not really your typical LC buying experience however the sales person was relaxed and we had about a 40 min test drive due to traffic. 

I owned an LC 500 Sport previously so it was interesting to see how much the ride changes with the 4WS.

If I didn’t need rear seats, I probably would have bought it. Instead I’ve gone for an RC-F which has slightly (only slightly) better rear seats.  

[Dingle Dell]

I would say the market has firmed up. My car is up for sale at a dealer for over 5K more than I paid (also from a dealer) at the beginning of the year, though I did feel like I got a relative bargain.

[Flytvr]

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Those that see the LC500 in the flesh have always loved it, but it now seems that more and more people in the general know and love the car. Very much, it will be interesting to see.......

 

[Linas.P]

On 9/26/2024 at 6:46 PM, Dingle Dell said:

I would say the market has firmed up. My car is up for sale at a dealer for over 5K more than I paid (also from a dealer) at the beginning of the year, though I did feel like I got a relative bargain.

It will be ups and downs from here, almost seasonal as the car is now in it's natural freefall. Previously the prices were kept artificially by dealers, as soon as it became market price it dropped significantly, but also it turns out there are a lot more people who wants it at £10k less, then the cheaper cars got bought and market seems to "firm-up"... however there will be next round of trade-ins... and you know the car with more miles and older will, with odd colour and with less options etc. will be priced below the car that has lower miles so on and so forth and there will again be cheaper cars... and this cycle will continue.

I reckon LC500 will bottom out at ~20k, cannot say when, but that will be ultimate bottom. Some junk cars with accidents, or mega miles, or issues will be sold just below that, but most fairly used 10 years old examples will be desirable enough at 20k that it won't drop further. The cheapest I have seen so far was relative high mileage yellow LC500 not h, for £29,999. Same one was now bought by dealer and listed at £35,000... which is the thing that happens, remember same story with many RC-F, GS-F before i.e. dealers buying from private and marking it up. And it makes sense - basically it is extremely hard to sell £30k car cash, so private sellers do struggle a bit, they don't want to PX and ridiculous price, but they list it a bit lower and dealers then buy the cars knowing there is maybe £4k mark-up they can do, because they can offer finance. So I guess give it ~2 more years and they will be trading at low 20s.

On 9/25/2024 at 10:37 PM, Oracle said:

Instead I’ve gone for an RC-F which has slightly (only slightly) better rear seats.  

You sure about that? I guess the seats in both of them are compromised in different way, but to say RC-F has "better rear seats" is really tough... I was surprised that seats in LC500 is not "much better", but they are certainly not worse. The problem in RC-F is lack of legroom, but arguably headroom is better as you sit kind of upright, generally rear seats on RC-F are much more cramped. On LC there is a lot more legroom and seat itself is kind of wider, less cramped, but because it sort of leans backwards the headroom is compromised as you hit the rear window sloping down. In short - there is more space in the back of LC, but space is not exactly more comfortable, because either you lean back into the seat and hit the sloping glass with the head, or you have to bend forward and hold front seat... which isn't exactly solution for longer drive. Neither have seats suitable for longer drive. That said for shorter person LC is alright, RC-F not alright for any adult that has at least 1 leg e.g. when I got into back seat of LC I said (I am 6"2') "huh... strange, they are not that much better", but my girlfriend said (she is ~5"7') "what you mean - they are so much better, I can sit almost comfortably here".

The real problem with LC is idiotically small boot and boot opening, it is basically a latch and the space for bag of golf clubs. RC-F doesn't have folding rear seats sadly, but boot space is much more easily accessible and usable. On other RCs, even back seats fold and then car is actually very practical. I always argued that LC (and ideally RC-F) should have been "fastbacks", like LFA or Jaguar XK for example, would have been so much more practical GT cars, now they are one big compromise in that department. 

[Arth_Vader]

Sorry I disagree the boot is “idiotically small”.  It’s wide and while it doesn’t have much vertical height it goes quite deep into the car on the coupe.

The boot is way better than that on a 911, for instance - another 2+2 coupe.

We went to France as a family of three for a weekend, and  think we took a small pram (yo-yo) with us.  I think we could do it with four of us.  Admittedly three of the four are little people but the boot is ok if you pack smart.

Don’t know about prices.  Used 911s are pretty resilient price wise and I know which of the two I’d have used.

[Linas.P]

911 is Sports car, LC500 is GT car. The difference - you take 911 to track, or drive it for joy on weekend, GT car is the cat you cross continents with. LC boot is small for GT car, compared to competition - Bentley Continental, BMW 8-Series, Mercedes S-Coupe, it is tiny. Also it is not only tiny, but awkward to access, so perhaps you are correct, there is more space than it looks, but using that space will be difficult. Basically you have to use some sort of soft bags to be able to squeeze them inside.

Now if you find it adequate, who I am to say it isn't adequate FOR YOU, you do you. However, it could have been more practical car without sacrificing anything at all, in terms of how it looks or how it drives. And that is why I said it should have been folding rear seat "fastback" (see XK if you want to imagine how it looks), just put the hinges of boot at the top of window and open it with whole window and also make rear seats fold. Not only that - it would have made car lighter by probably 100kg... and as for stiffness - it is possible to work around that and achieve the same without compromising practicality. 

This was my issue when I was considering LC500 myself... I loved the car, how it drives and exceptional interior quality, but I realised it doesn't belong in "single car household". For somebody who owns two cars, it is perfectly adequate car to own. But if you can have only one car - it is just not practical enough to use for all purposes that car needs to b used for. Obviously, what is "practical" for one, may not be "practical" for somebody else (it's subjective). 

[Flytvr]

7 hours ago, Arth_Vader said:

Sorry I disagree the boot is “idiotically small”.  It’s wide and while it doesn’t have much vertical height it goes quite deep into the car on the coupe.

The boot is way better than that on a 911, for instance - another 2+2 coupe.

We went to France as a family of three for a weekend, and  think we took a small pram (yo-yo) with us.  I think we could do it with four of us.  Admittedly three of the four are little people but the boot is ok if you pack smart.

Don’t know about prices.  Used 911s are pretty resilient price wise and I know which of the two I’d have used.

You're absolutely right. The boot is totally ample. My lad and I recently toured Europe. No issues. Not sure why @Linas.P is concerned about boot space.  People buy the LC for the looks, sound and rarity. I can't see people being out off by the boot!

[Linas.P]

50 minutes ago, Flytvr said:

You're absolutely right. The boot is totally ample. My lad and I recently toured Europe. No issues. Not sure why @Linas.P is concerned about boot space.  People buy the LC for the looks, sound and rarity. I can't see people being out off by the boot!

I think I explained why... if you get one as alternative to what you would get 911 for, then sure - boot is there, that is already ample compared to 911. But if you get it as an only car in the household there are practical limitation - size, shape, access etc. It just isn't practical car, not even practical coupe. It is gorgeous otherwise - so if you are lucky enough to choose car for looks alone, then sure, why not!

[Oracle]

I can sit in the rear seats on my RC-F, I couldn’t do the same in my LC500. 
 

The LC boot is ok, but the weird lump on the boot lid did impact how much stuff you can cram in there.