Regenerative Braking Limited

[Lisa 102]

Hi all

Lexus UX 300e 2023 in UK

 

Regenerative Braking  Limited press brake to decelerate 

Whilst I totally understand the concept of the regenerative braking system and that the car for  various reasons limits that system, is there anyway to actually disable the annoying pop up warning on my dash. This is whilst car is in ‘D’. If I try to use the back arrow on the steering wheel, after 2-3 seconds the warning pops up again and I can’t see what I’ve chosen to see behind the warning.  Do I really need to know it’s limited and sometimes for 10 minutes of a journey for whatever reason or until the Battery is 80 or below.  Sometimes I need to charge to 90 to avoid paying the outrageous supermarket/service station tariffs in the UK. Photo was taken by passenger for me hope it’s clear for you to see. 
 

Thanks in advance for your help 🙂

[rayaans]

1 hour ago, Lisa 102 said:

Hi all

Lexus UX 300e 2023 in UK

 

Regenerative Braking  Limited press brake to decelerate 

Whilst I totally understand the concept of the regenerative braking system and that the car for  various reasons limits that system, is there anyway to actually disable the annoying pop up warning on my dash. This is whilst car is in ‘D’. If I try to use the back arrow on the steering wheel, after 2-3 seconds the warning pops up again and I can’t see what I’ve chosen to see behind the warning.  Do I really need to know it’s limited and sometimes for 10 minutes of a journey for whatever reason or until the battery is 80 or below.  Sometimes I need to charge to 90 to avoid paying the outrageous supermarket/service station tariffs in the UK. Photo was taken by passenger for me hope it’s clear for you to see. 
 

Thanks in advance for your help 🙂

This shouldn't happen. Needs a dealer visit. 

I've never seen that at all

[PaulWhitt20]

Not seen this message either and I regularly charge to 100% and drive in B mode all the time. 
Is it a feature of the long range version?

[ColinBarber]

2 hours ago, PaulWhitt20 said:

Is it a feature of the long range version?

It's an error that can come up on either version but I certainly wouldn't expect to see it at 90%, possibly at 100% for a short while.

[Lisa 102]

Thank you 

[Lisa 102]

12 hours ago, PaulWhitt20 said:

Not seen this message either and I regularly charge to 100% and drive in B mode all the time. 
Is it a feature of the long range version?

Yes it’s the long range version 

[Lisa 102]

9 hours ago, ColinBarber said:

It's an error that can come up on either version but I certainly wouldn't expect to see it at 90%, possibly at 100% for a short while.

Thank you, it states this on the internet although not particularly referring to my car which is the long range, either way it’s pretty annoying.

’“Regenerative braking temporarily reduced. Will improve as vehicle is driven.” A visit to any social media platform and you can easily find dozens of posts from owners asking what the message means. Experienced owners know this message appears when the Battery is either cold, or has been fully charged’.

[ColinBarber]

1 hour ago, Lisa 102 said:

Thank you, it states this on the internet although not particularly referring to my car which is the long range, either way it’s pretty annoying.

The message is documented in the manual:

If “Regenerative Braking Limited Press Brake to Decelerate” is displayed

Regenerative braking may be restricted in the following situations. Firmly depress the brake pedal to decelerate the vehicle.

• ●  When electrical energy cannot be regen- erated any more as the traction Battery is fully charged

• ●  When the temperature of the traction Battery is extremely high or extremely low

• ●  When the temperature of the electric motor or power control unit, etc. is extremely high

 

It makes sense when the Battery is full, and near full as the charing current has to be reduced, but at 80-95% that doesn't really make sense. I'd contact your dealer to log the issue and see if there is a software update to improve this.

[Lisa 102]

59 minutes ago, ColinBarber said:

The message is documented in the manual:

If “Regenerative Braking Limited Press Brake to Decelerate” is displayed

Regenerative braking may be restricted in the following situations. Firmly depress the brake pedal to decelerate the vehicle.

• ●  When electrical energy cannot be regen- erated any more as the traction battery is fully charged

• ●  When the temperature of the traction battery is extremely high or extremely low

• ●  When the temperature of the electric motor or power control unit, etc. is extremely high

 

It makes sense when the battery is full, and near full as the charing current has to be reduced, but at 80-95% that doesn't really make sense. I'd contact your dealer to log the issue and see if there is a software update to improve this.

Thank you I will keep my eye on this and see exactly when the warning is coming up, the other day on the motorway it was on for a good 5 mins under 80% charge and if it’s just a warning that it’s not available that’s fine as in that situation with or without the warning I’m going to be depressing the brake to slow down, it’s just removing that warning rather than it lingering is what I would like to achieve, but if it’s because there is a problem then I will definitely take your advice and log it with the dealership.

[rangraj]

Hi Lisa, I have the same vehicle long range version and getting the same error whenever my vehicle is charged upto 100% and the warning keeps on appearing up until the Battery is 80%. I went to dealership to fix the problem and they are still investigating the issue. The constant warning is annoying and concerning also as its brake related. Were you able to get it fixed and what resolution was provided to you by your dealer ?

[Lisa 102]

Hi well funnily enough I’ve recently had a few updates through the car console, although they seem to be related to voice updates I’ve accepted them, then approximately 2-3 weeks ago the warning stopped.  So at the moment I only get the warning if charged to 100% and then when it gets down to 95% it stops.  Although still annoying as it pings and remains on the dash so you can’t see the set up of that part of the dash at least it doesn’t last to long, but like you before this it was on till 80%.  It actually has nothing to do with the brakes themselves, what it means is that as you lift your foot off the accelerator and give yourself longer before you brake some charge goes back into the Battery, (regenerative braking) you can see that area on the speedometer, to be honest it’s minimal. So what it’s saying is that at 100% it can’t throw any charge back into the Battery because the Battery is fully or near to full charge, makes sense.  The problem really is, we couldn’t  care less whether or not braking slower can give back some extra charge and would much more prefer not to know and have a peaceful drive instead. 🤣

[Arnis]

Same issue here. I really like my car, but this little thing is irritating.

Reading different forums I see that users go into explain what regenerative breaking is. Like Lisa I completely understand what it is and the logic behind it but really could not care less about it. It is a basic function of the vehicle and this "warning" is totally unnecessary and frankly dangerous.

[ColinBarber]

6 minutes ago, Arnis said:

It is a basic function of the vehicle and this "warning" is totally unnecessary and frankly dangerous.

Being warned that the simulated engine braking won’t be as strong as normal is worth warning the driver about. But it should just be once that the driver can acknowledge and clear, or maybe just a yellow warning symbol that comes up whist regen braking is impacted. 

[Arnis]

I agree, the warning should not be distracting the driver. I'm sure there are plenty of users out there that will be compelled to cancel the message every time it pops up. 

[Lisa 102]

So after successfully receiving updates via the console, one of them which must have updated this warning so that as I mentioned previously I was only getting the warning above 95% of Battery charge, now we’re into the colder weather in the UK the warnings back up intermittently for the whole journey (65% charge). I’ve read that the warning comes up when it’s extremely cold, the annoying thing is whilst driving it’s pinging and the warning is coming up, then when the car is idle, for example, in traffic or at traffic lights it goes off completely, so it’s off and on for all of a journey happily pinging away, both distracting and annoying.

[mctangus]

Still in my first 500 miles of owenership but this error is really doing my nut in. Everytime its cold or you have the audacity to charge above 80%. I like the car but its these little things that are annoying. Coupled with the lack of info on the car or preheating of the Battery for charging and seeing what the charge rate is in realtime in kw is really nippy. Its like they made an EV and dumbed it down. 

[Lisa 102]

22 minutes ago, mctangus said:

Still in my first 500 miles of owenership but this error is really doing my nut in. Everytime its cold or you have the audacity to charge above 80%. I like the car but its these little things that are annoying. Coupled with the lack of info on the car or preheating of the battery for charging and seeing what the charge rate is in realtime in kw is really nippy. Its like they made an EV and dumbed it down. 

Lol your description made me laugh, had so many updates, my console view has recently changed (updated) which I quite like (thankful for small mercies) but why they won’t fix the ongoing issues first is unbelievable, mine spent the whole of today with the regenerative warning on, at least it wasn’t intermittent with all the pinging. Quite enjoying using the climate start from the phone app before I get in and set off so it’s nice and warm and the screens are defrosted but am finding it takes a while for the heater to warm up if you switch it on whist driving. I use apple Play and Siri and sadly no charging mat (pod) for the phone but I’ve solved that by buying a charging mat with USB from eBay (can’t take the credit for that, it was my brother’s idea) and placing that in the centre console and I pop my phone in there before I set off, luckily there’s a port inside the centre console, Hey Lexus has never worked from the start.

[rangraj]

 I had previously escalated this issue to Lexus dealer, and after a lot of push and angry calls, I got a reply that Lexus has acknowledged this issue from several other owners also and that they need to release an update to software by Toyota Motors Europe , however they cannot give a timeline as in when or if they will. After using the car for almost a year I know that this error pops up when the Battery is either above 85% or the Battery is extremely cold (less than 7 degrees Celsius) which is during winter months (unfortunately we live in a cold country). For me personally its very difficult to digest the fact that Lexus refuses to acknowledge that the constant beep while driving is a sort of distraction and is very dangerous. Also, as Lisa mentioned above that she received updates for her console, I have not, leads me to question Lexus again. With such bad experience with Lexus and their Customer Care team, I would not advocate anyone to buy Lexus. Period.

[Lisa 102]

1 hour ago, rangraj said:

 I had previously escalated this issue to Lexus dealer, and after a lot of push and angry calls, I got a reply that Lexus has acknowledged this issue from several other owners also and that they need to release an update to software by Toyota Motors Europe , however they cannot give a timeline as in when or if they will. After using the car for almost a year I know that this error pops up when the battery is either above 85% or the battery is extremely cold (less than 7 degrees Celsius) which is during winter months (unfortunately we live in a cold country). For me personally it’s very difficult to digest the fact that Lexus refuses to acknowledge that the constant beep while driving is a sort of distraction and is very dangerous. Also, as Lisa mentioned above that she received updates for her console, I have not, leads me to question Lexus again. With such bad experience with Lexus and their Customer Care team, I would not advocate anyone to buy Lexus. Period.

My car was in for its second recall today since new (10 months old) this one was something to do with a fault that could lead to non compliance of GDPR.  In my opinion if they feel it is serious enough they recall the car, as a driver I feel this is a serious fault being so distracting and now I’ve got to listen to this all through winter.  With regard to the console updated I’ve had between 10-15 updates and today I borrowed a brand new LBX, this was also updating and I myself accepted 5 updates whilst I had  the car today.
 

What I like about the LBX is if you switch off lane control it stays off all the time whereas in my UX you annoyingly have to turn it off every journey.  

Maybe next time your car is in you need to mention you’ve received no updates, they only appear whilst the car is in park, so for example if I power up the car but don’t move off an update can appear and I can accept whilst stationery, but if I drive off it won’t appear again until I park.