Michelin CrossClimate still the best?

[Las Palmas]

58 minutes ago, RonsonSJohnson said:

is it worth getting a all season tyre in UK and ireland, when we get at most 7-14 days of cold and snow, would a summer tyre with a rated Wet handling not be a better option ?

struggling to get my head around winter tyres for irish weather when its 50% rain and maybe 2% snow over last 2 years.

 

Don't forget global heating.

You are soon going to wear shorts all year long.

Summer tyres it is.

[Herbie]

Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen2 are equally as good as Michelin Cross Climates but discounts are much harder to find on them compared to the CCs.

[Las Palmas]

31 minutes ago, Herbie said:

Goodyear Vector 4Seasons Gen2 are equally as good as Michelin Cross Climates but discounts are much harder to find on them compared to the CCs.

Has been replaced with:

Still searching for quiet tyres. No matter if summer or all seasons.

4 seasons (Vivaldi) + + + +

[Apple500]

Thanks for all the replies folks, i think i'll go for the CCSUV
Regarding price, Costco were knocking the spots off anyone else for the CC2 with a lower price and the £25 off per tyre.
Will check the CCSUV

My need is more specific, I live on a hill and have a hilly drive so any kind of snow at all knocks out car use until its gone. I was thinking winters but as you mention @RonsonSJohnson we hardly get any snow so a cross climate as a winter tyre is an option

Will feedback the price of the CCSUV for the group

 

[royoftherovers]

2 hours ago, RonsonSJohnson said:

is it worth getting a all season tyre in UK and ireland, when we get at most 7-14 days of cold and snow, would a summer tyre with a rated Wet handling not be a better option ?

struggling to get my head around winter tyres for irish weather when its 50% rain and maybe 2% snow over last 2 years.

 

I have All Seasons on both the Lexus and the Merc Ronan.

[RonsonSJohnson]

1 hour ago, royoftherovers said:

I have All Seasons on both the Lexus and the Merc Ronan.

interesting..

[Las Palmas]

As no-one have answered the question of this thread I will try:

No. They have never been the best so they cannot not "still be the best".

They may be the best compromise as they have some good things from best summer tyres as well as some good things from best "almost winter tyres".

Winter can be snow on the roads and also, in some countries, ice on the road. If ice on the roads is winter then "all season" tyres are no good for winter, making them a soft compromise and "all season tyres" have never been best summer tyres.

A compromise is = a compromise.

And the Michelin may be one of the best in their class.

[LexusRbest]

Well,I have gone with Continentals UHP 20” for my gen 4Rx450

Probably legacy loyalty from my Mercedes days.

German tyres on a Japanese machine……

Not impressed with Geolander wear or Bridgestone build quality.

Time will tell.

 

[Las Palmas]

1 hour ago, LexusRbest said:

Well,I have gone with Continentals UHP 20” for my gen 4Rx450

Probably legacy loyalty from my Mercedes days.

German tyres on a Japanese machine……

Not impressed with Geolander wear or Bridgestone build quality.

Time will tell.

 

Are the tires noisy?

[LexusRbest]

Continentals have been excellent, ( only a weeks use) quieter than the original Bridgestone duellers they replaced.

I can hear the radio at 2 at 30 mph

immediate impression when driving away was more feel and precision.

not sure if they aren't a bit stiffer than previous but ride is good.

I like Continental for wet grip  and when braking.

 

 

[olliesgrandad]

On 11/25/2021 at 9:22 PM, LexusRbest said:

Continentals have been excellent, ( only a weeks use) quieter than the original Bridgestone duellers they replaced.

I can hear the radio at 2 at 30 mph

immediate impression when driving away was more feel and precision.

not sure if they aren't a bit stiffer than previous but ride is good.

I like Continental for wet grip  and when braking.

 

 

I never liked the Duelers so when I found my Subaru had them they were gone as soon s my tyre supplier could get set from Michelin. 

This weekend makes me so glad I've got them👍

[Illogan]

I've used tghe Continental Premium 2 on my (previous) MB S500 LWB, and they were excellent, handled speed, ridiculous acceleration well, and were quiet, lasted 30k+ too

[DBIZO]

On 11/2/2021 at 6:48 PM, Las Palmas said:

As no-one have answered the question of this thread I will try:

No. They have never been the best so they cannot not "still be the best".

They may be the best compromise as they have some good things from best summer tyres as well as some good things from best "almost winter tyres".

Winter can be snow on the roads and also, in some countries, ice on the road. If ice on the roads is winter then "all season" tyres are no good for winter, making them a soft compromise and "all season tyres" have never been best summer tyres.

A compromise is = a compromise.

And the Michelin may be one of the best in their class.

Belatedly: I'm still learning this tyre business, but I'm not sure about this characterization. I understand what you mean, still, we are talking about trade-offs, inevitably, for whatever compound. For me, all-season compounds simply made their bulls-eye between summer and winter tyres, which given the wide variety of climates, road conditions and driving habits, simply makes sense. I'm going to get all-seasons fitted as a winter set, because I don't want to drive on full winter tyres in the UK but want to be able to drive across the Alps in from December to March, largely on motorways. I'll see how it goes when warmer, but in case we take a road trip to the Med in high summer, I will have it swapped back to summer, when tarmac temperature can be well above 60°C on a European motorway, and speeds are consistently higher.

[First_Lexus]

15 hours ago, olliesgrandad said:

I never liked the Duelers so when I found my Subaru had them they were gone as soon s my tyre supplier could get set from Michelin. 

This weekend makes me so glad I've got them👍

My new RX is supplied with Dunlop Sport MAXX tyres. I’ll see how they are over a few thousand miles but generally I’m happy to have Dunlop fitted.

It does beg the question though. I’d have thought for ‘premium’ SUVs manufacturers ought to fit ‘all season’ as standard. It wouldn’t cost that much more (per tyre, anyway). 

When mine needs replacement tyres, I’ll certainly be going down the ‘all season’ route this time, rather than having a separate set of ‘Winter’ tyres as I have on my last five or six vehicles.

[olliesgrandad]

24 minutes ago, First_Lexus said:

My new RX is supplied with Dunlop Sport MAXX tyres. I’ll see how they are over a few thousand miles but generally I’m happy to have Dunlop fitted.

 

When mine needs replacement tyres, I’ll certainly be going down the ‘all season’ route this time, rather than having a separate set of ‘Winter’ tyres as I have on my last five or six vehicles.

I had the Dunlops on my 2015 RX. 

They tend to wear in a way that causes a noise like a worn wheel bearing. Fortunately Lexus Cheltenham knew of this and a change of tyre put things right. 

Sadly with your new ride you won't be able fit Michelin's as they don't make the size. 

I fitted a Yokahoma Geolander (can't remember the model) which I mentioned in a post on here. They were pretty good and a lot quieter than the factory Bridgestone Duelers. 

They are an all season tyre and are M&S rated although most tyre places list them as a summer tyre. 

[First_Lexus]

33 minutes ago, olliesgrandad said:

Sadly with your new ride you won't be able fit Michelin's as they don't make the size. 

^^ Indeed. The size doesn’t seem to have many options at all, even for normal ‘Summer’ tyres. There are a few more specialist Winter options.

I’ll keep an eye (well, an ear!) on the wear of the Dunlops…

[Herbie]

12 hours ago, DBIZO said:

I don't want to drive on full winter tyres in the UK but want to be able to drive across the Alps in from December to March

Don't worry, the trip won't take that long  

[Trefor]

I just ordered 4x Vredestein Quatrac Pros for my 400H. Will report back once they are on the car. I have used them on various cars before and found them a very good tyre for UK winter use. Seem fine in snow, great in crap UK weather, quiet and no economy issues.

Believe it or not I did not choose Michelins because the tread pattern looks a bit boy racer for my liking (and I'm a bit of a boy-racer!).

[Barry14UK]

7 hours ago, Trefor said:

 

Believe it or not I did not choose Michelins because the tread pattern looks a bit boy racer for my liking (and I'm a bit of a boy-racer!).

Strange logic!  I would have thought performance would have trumped looks! I must be one of the oldest boy racers then!

[Trefor]

13 hours ago, Barry14UK said:

Strange logic!  I would have thought performance would have trumped looks! I must be one of the oldest boy racers then!

I hear you, but from experience the Quatracs are damn good, I never found them wanting. I'd agree if I was choosing ditchfinders or Linglongs over Michelins.