My RCF Carbon for sale...

[tomRCFcarbon]

If anyone on here is interested...I just popped this onto the cars for sale board.

https://www.lexusownersclub.co.uk/forum/topic/125541-rcf-carbon-for-sale-2015-35000miles/

[Fair and square]

What are the chances, no RCF carbons for absolute months and then today, one appears here and one appears on the trader!

[tomRCFcarbon]

40 minutes ago, Fair and square said:

What are the chances, no RCF carbons for absolute months and then today, one appears here and one appears on the trader!

The black one? That’s not a Carbon. I can’t see any on there...

(apologies for the multiple posts, my phone was having a meltdown!)

[Dave400SE]

I think he's referring to a black carbon just come on at Autostrada  - no pictures yet and 60k mileage - and no connection to me 😇

[Flytvr]

On 9/30/2020 at 3:53 PM, Fair and square said:

What are the chances, no RCF carbons for absolute months and then today, one appears here and one appears on the trader!

There's one on Autotrader. Priced high at £30k. Probably more realistically worth £25k best.

[tomRCFcarbon]

59 minutes ago, Flytvr said:

There's one on Autotrader. Priced high at £30k. Probably more realistically worth £25k best.

You mean mine (the silver / Carbon one?) or do you mean the black / Carbon one. 
As difficult car as they are to sell they are also a very difficult car to price...especially the carbons given their rarity. 
 

I think for mine £30k is fair value. It’s pretty much immaculate. Slight scuffs on the alloys but that’s cos I’m picky and you could say the price reflects the £300-400 it would cost for the most fussy buyer to get it done. 
 

The black/Carbon one is basically the same price and has higher mileage and non-matching tyres. 

[Fair and square]

30k all day long Tom.

[Fair and square]

3 hours ago, Flytvr said:

There's one on Autotrader. Priced high at £30k. Probably more realistically worth £25k best.

How did you get to 25k may I ask?

On the trader there are two RCFs same reg (2015) with 20k more on the clock (50k) that are none carbon editions both asking for in the region of 30k, that would tell me that according to market conditions Toms RCF is under priced.

[Flytvr]

10 hours ago, Fair and square said:

How did you get to 25k may I ask?

On the trader there are two RCFs same reg (2015) with 20k more on the clock (50k) that are none carbon editions both asking for in the region of 30k, that would tell me that according to market conditions Toms RCF is under priced.

£25k - a combination of things.

1. Valued it on Autotrader and a couple of other sites.

2. Fundamentally, the car hasn't sold. 

So, if it hasn't sold at £30k, people will offer £25k. That's assuming the owner has received any offers at all?

You have to remember what you are up against when selling an RC-F carbon.

1. BMW M4s are now hovering just about £20k. Right or not, the industry sees the M4 as a far superior car.

2. Those people knowing about F cars are few and far between. So the market is very small

3. Those that are in the know are going to be Lexus fans. Many of these will consider the carbon edition as too 'Halfords'. People on here have commented before that the carbon bits just don't look right.

Finally, I will point out that I am not bashing the RC-F carbon. I was after all (probably) the first member on here to own one and have a full understanding of what the F brand is all about.

However, I don't have a romantic view on the value of such vehicles.

[Flytvr]

10 hours ago, Fair and square said:

30k all day long Tom.

A romantic view. I can name at least three members on here that have struggled to **** their RC-Fs privately.

@tomRCFcarbon. No offence meant - I didn't realise it was your car, and I wish you every success in selling it.

You can take or leave my advice, but I think you need a consistent set of images on Autotrader. Leave out the over processed pics and have a set of clean images. Just MHO.

[doog442]

3 hours ago, Flytvr said:

£25k - a combination of things.

1. Valued it on Autotrader and a couple of other sites.

2. Fundamentally, the car hasn't sold. 

To be fair Tom has only just advertised the car. Likewise the black carbon has only appeared in the last week. Quite a few 15  plate non carbons have been sold in the last few months, all between 27k - 32k. At the moment there appears to be quite a bit of Interest in that year / price range and prices have held firm or even even increased without doubt. 

I think Toms car looks lovely and I'm sure patience will prevail.  

[Fair and square]

On the trader, Toms car hasn't even been listed a week! So I don't think that justifies a comment as "not sold yet". If his car is still sitting there in 6 months time then yes, such a comment would be justified and should be noted in respect to the advertised price. Apart from GSF, cars hang around, whether that be an RCF, GTR, mustang, db9 or whatever, cars, houses or a table set on eBay. 

As for an M4 for just above 20k? I think that we both must be on two different planets. Yes a 90k mileage cat D repaired 2014 model with 6 owners, but that is hardly a direct comparison the Toms RCF, do you know the spec, owners and history of Toms RCF?

At any one given time, there are 500+ m4 for sale, so different market conditions. However, for an m4 of the same year, similar mileage and NON CAT, you are starting at £27,000 all day long and this is not even looking at the equivalent spec, of which if you jump back on the trader, you will see that the standard RCF prices are around that figure.

Reference your opinion on the Halfords carbon, that is your opinion, unfortunately for both you and I, opinions don't count when it comes to a valuation but facts do and the facts are the carbon edition is more rare than a none carbon, making it more exclusive than a none carbon. From factory the carbon costs, as standard, 7k more. That fact cannot be hidden nor dismissed.

Based upon what is on the trader right now, the screen price of Toms car is quite clearly correct. Any lower and he is competing with RCFs that are not only of a lower spec, but also higher mileage. Really? Who would do that?

[Bluethunder]

I think Toms car is listed at a great price. I remember Flytvr had problems selling his Carbon(white)..last year? But the market for F cars has changed and they tend to sell quicker compared to a year ago.

[XK140]

1 hour ago, Fair and square said:

On the trader, Toms car hasn't even been listed a week! So I don't think that justifies a comment as "not sold yet". If his car is still sitting there in 6 months time then yes, such a comment would be justified and should be noted in respect to the advertised price. Apart from GSF, cars hang around, whether that be an RCF, GTR, mustang, db9 or whatever, cars, houses or a table set on ebay. 

As for an M4 for just above 20k? I think that we both must be on two different planets. Yes a 90k mileage cat D repaired 2014 model with 6 owners, but that is hardly a direct comparison the Toms RCF, do you know the spec, owners and history of Toms RCF?

At any one given time, there are 500+ m4 for sale, so different market conditions. However, for an m4 of the same year, similar mileage and NON CAT, you are starting at £27,000 all day long and this is not even looking at the equivalent spec, of which if you jump back on the trader, you will see that the standard RCF prices are around that figure.

Reference your opinion on the halfords carbon, that is your opinion, unfortunately for both you and I, opinions don't count when it comes to a valuation but facts do and the facts are the carbon edition is more rare than a none carbon, making it more exclusive than a none carbon. From factory the carbon costs, as standard, 7k more. That fact cannot be hidden nor dismissed.

Based upon what is on the trader right now, the screen price of Toms car is quite clearly correct. Any lower and he is competing with RCFs that are not only of a lower spec, but also higher mileage. Really? Who would do that?

Agree with all of the above.

The only comment I would make,as someone currently biding my time looking for a RC F in the £30 to £40k range ( and with no p/ex and cash ready) is that if I did go for a private purchase it would be a lot more attractive to me if it had a good chunk of the Lexus used warranty remaining.

Two years for £995 isn’t it ?

 

 

[Fair and square]

Yes, correct and should you buy the car private you can buy the warranty from a dealer.

Apart from year and mileage, the basic requirements are that the car has had its most recent service completed and the car must also have an inspection from an approved Lexus service cente.

I am unsure on cost for the inspection but if it is a VSC then most vehicle service centres of any nature offer this for free - I recall it been some legislation that changed many years ago, it is where all these "summer / winter free health checks came about". Speak to a Lexus service centre to get the advice.

[Shahpor]

4 hours ago, Fair and square said:

On the trader, Toms car hasn't even been listed a week! So I don't think that justifies a comment as "not sold yet". If his car is still sitting there in 6 months time then yes, such a comment would be justified and should be noted in respect to the advertised price. Apart from GSF, cars hang around, whether that be an RCF, GTR, mustang, db9 or whatever, cars, houses or a table set on ebay. 

As for an M4 for just above 20k? I think that we both must be on two different planets. Yes a 90k mileage cat D repaired 2014 model with 6 owners, but that is hardly a direct comparison the Toms RCF, do you know the spec, owners and history of Toms RCF?

At any one given time, there are 500+ m4 for sale, so different market conditions. However, for an m4 of the same year, similar mileage and NON CAT, you are starting at £27,000 all day long and this is not even looking at the equivalent spec, of which if you jump back on the trader, you will see that the standard RCF prices are around that figure.

Reference your opinion on the halfords carbon, that is your opinion, unfortunately for both you and I, opinions don't count when it comes to a valuation but facts do and the facts are the carbon edition is more rare than a none carbon, making it more exclusive than a none carbon. From factory the carbon costs, as standard, 7k more. That fact cannot be hidden nor dismissed.

Based upon what is on the trader right now, the screen price of Toms car is quite clearly correct. Any lower and he is competing with RCFs that are not only of a lower spec, but also higher mileage. Really? Who would do that?

Linus, did you create a new account?

[Rensin55]

3 hours ago, XK140 said:

Agree with all of the above.

The only comment I would make,as someone currently biding my time looking for a RC F in the £30 to £40k range ( and with no p/ex and cash ready) is that if I did go for a private purchase it would be a lot more attractive to me if it had a good chunk of the Lexus used warranty remaining.

Two years for £995 isn’t it ?

 

 

Just bought a GS F privately, and one of the reasons I was happy to go private over a dealer ( besides price) was that is came with 20months Lexus warranty remaining. Not only did this give me peace of mind for the future, also if there were any niggly problems it would have been sorted out under warranty already. 
I had done my research I already new I could get a 2 year warranty after purchase but there was always a concern that something would be found at the inspection that would cost money before the the warranty could be bought.

[Fair and square]

14 minutes ago, Shahpor said:

Linus, did you create a new account?

No Linus, but hello 🙂

[Flytvr]

On 10/4/2020 at 4:00 PM, Shahpor said:

Linus, did you create a new account?

Gosh. You’re right. He’s rather argumentative 😁

[Fair and square]

3 minutes ago, Flytvr said:

Gosh. You’re right. He’s rather argumentative 😁

Argumentative, or just address the facts. As they say, there is always one!

You can answer my questions in your own time.

😁😁

[emjay82]

When I sold my ISF I purposely undercut the others available for sale as I know there are very few buyers in the market for F cars at one given time. I sold it within a couple of weeks. If you're prepared to sit and wait you may eventually get a buyer but I'm too impatient for that. 

[tomRCFcarbon]

16 minutes ago, emjay82 said:

undercut the others available

I think I have though? Within £1,000 pounds there are cars with significantly more miles and/or less good spec and/or questionable servicing/care...

...fortunately for me I am in no hurry but I certainly don’t feel I’ve priced it too high. 

I completely appreciate that it’s a specialist proposition- any 20mpg v8 is right now, even more one with a non-German badge and less mainstream kerb appeal and even, even more one that looks like it’s had an accident in a Halfords parts department (I don’t think this is the case by the way). 

[emjay82]

3 hours ago, tomRCFcarbon said:

I think I have though? Within £1,000 pounds there are cars with significantly more miles and/or less good spec and/or questionable servicing/care...

...fortunately for me I am in no hurry but I certainly don’t feel I’ve priced it too high. 

I completely appreciate that it’s a specialist proposition- any 20mpg v8 is right now, even more one with a non-German badge and less mainstream kerb appeal and even, even more one that looks like it’s had an accident in a Halfords parts department (I don’t think this is the case by the way). 

I haven't seen your specific advert, just sharing my experience. If you're not in any rush just sit it out. 👍

[Flytvr]

On 10/4/2020 at 11:38 AM, Fair and square said:

As for an M4 for just above 20k? I think that we both must be on two different planets. Yes a 90k mileage cat D repaired 2014 model with 6 owners, but that is hardly a direct comparison the Toms RCF, do you know the spec, owners and history of Toms RCF?

I didn't draw a comparison between any given instances of the brand. I simply pointed out that the M4 is favoured over the RC-F. Having owned an RC-F CE, and driven a few M4s, I can see both sides of the argument.

At any one given time, there are 500+ m4 for sale, so different market conditions. However, for an m4 of the same year, similar mileage and NON CAT, you are starting at £27,000 all day long and this is not even looking at the equivalent spec, of which if you jump back on the trader, you will see that the standard RCF prices are around that figure.

Interesting. So, for £27k I can buy an M4 - viewed by the majority as a better car, or I can spend £3k more on (what you have labelled) an equivilant RC-F. Try convincing a potential buyer that they can buy a 'worse' car (they probably have never heard of) and pay £3k more for it. And don't forget to tell them about the annual tax!

Reference your opinion on the halfords carbon, that is your opinion, unfortunately for both you and I, opinions don't count when it comes to a valuation but facts do and the facts are the carbon edition is more rare than a none carbon, making it more exclusive than a none carbon. From factory the carbon costs, as standard, 7k more. That fact cannot be hidden nor dismissed.

You can value and RC-F at whatever price you want. It means jack! Like any other item, it's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Unfortunately for Tom, I doubt very much his car well sell privately for £30k. You appear to be very confident that this is not the case. Quite simply our views differ.

As for the Halfords statement - this is a view that has been expressed on here several times in the past. For many, the CE is simply too bling.

As for the R-CF CE being rare.......yes, I guess, but having parted company with my RC-F CE, I know that it being one of only six in the UK did it no favours. Rare or not, if there's little interest, it's going to be difficult to sell.  

Based upon what is on the trader right now, the screen price of Toms car is quite clearly correct. Any lower and he is competing with RCFs that are not only of a lower spec, but also higher mileage. Really? Who would do that?

Who would do that? Surely someone that realises that an RC-F is hard to sell and is true to themselves as to the real value of the vehicle.

Bottom line, if Tom is not in a rush, then fine, hang on to the car indefinitely. However, let's not forget that an RC-F is a depreciating asset. Take a hit now or let it depreciate whilst it's hanging around.

 

[Flytvr]

4 hours ago, tomRCFcarbon said:

I think I have though? Within £1,000 pounds there are cars with significantly more miles and/or less good spec and/or questionable servicing/care...

...fortunately for me I am in no hurry but I certainly don’t feel I’ve priced it too high. 

I completely appreciate that it’s a specialist proposition- any 20mpg v8 is right now, even more one with a non-German badge and less mainstream kerb appeal and even, even more one that looks like it’s had an accident in a Halfords parts department (I don’t think this is the case by the way). 

As we know, these cars are so hard to value. Have you priced it right? Proof is in the pudding i.e. if it sells for £30k, you priced it right!