Calibration after Replacing Tyres

[Irish IS300h]

Good evening all,

Just replaced 4 Dunlop SportsMaxx RT2 tyres with Goodyear Eagle Asymmetric 5s. Too early to report back on the new tyre performance yet but I have a quick question!

I have completed a calibration on the sat-nav (standard version) but should I be completing any other initialiation/calibration elsewhere in the menu options?

The TPMS is all sorted and reset so there are no worries there but I do vagely remember someone on here mentioning some other setting (hidden in some menu) to adjust/reset after fitting new tyres.

Unfortunately there is very limited info in the owners manuel. 😔

Many thanks!

[j051]

Hmm, I have never done this after having new tires fitted. I also don’t change anything when switching between my set of 16” winter wheels and 17” summer wheels. I just reprogram the TPMS with Carista and that’s it.  On top of that (on any car regardless of make) I usually have the 4 wheel alignment done every two years just in case. 
 

What are you worried about? Inaccuracy of speedometer? If you’re running the same size alloys that should be negligible- I have not even noticed any major difference between my summer/winter wheel sizes. 

[Sam1971]

Hi,

 

I have a lexus is300h premier 2015 model. I need to replace the tpms sensor on one of the tyres. I have found an oem part on eBay but I have been told that it would need recalibration with the ecu. 

 

Would you know of this is true? And if so, then would an auto electrician be able to sort it out to avoid the expensive lexus dealer charges.

 

 

 

 

[LenT]

10 hours ago, Sam1971 said:

Hi,

 

I have a lexus is300h premier 2015 model. I need to replace the tpms sensor on one of the tyres. I have found an oem part on ebay but I have been told that it would need recalibration with the ecu. 

 

Would you know of this is true? And if so, then would an auto electrician be able to sort it out to avoid the expensive lexus dealer charges.

 

 

 

 

Are you planning to remove the tyre and replace the valve yourself?  Because you require professional equipment to do that.

The best people to do this kind of work would be a good tyre retailer who does it on a daily basis.  When I had a broken TPMS valve replaced, it was by just such a local company who supplied, fitted and registered a compatible valve for £65.

Whether they would have done the job using a customer-supplied valve, I don’t know.  If you have a good, local tyre retailer you could check with them first.  But if they don’t supply the valve then I can’t see them taking any responsibility for it.

I rarely buy anything off eBay because I don’t trust the provenance of the products.  If you have a good, local tyre retailer who can supply and fit an OEM valve, is it really going to cost significantly more than buying a cheap valve - and then have the problem of fitting it?

[Boeryeoes]

Please update us when you have a better view of tire performance! I’m on the look out for these tires too 😁

[LenT]

4 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

Please update us when you have a better view of tire performance! I’m on the look out for these tires too 😁

If you’re referring to the OP, I wouldn’t hold your breath.  It was posted almost exactly three years ago!

In fact the Asymmetric 5s referred to have now been superseded by the Asymmetric 6s.  I have the 5s and they have proved to be an excellent choice, especially concerning their wet weather performance,

I suggest you look at the many tyre reviews which compare the Goodyears with, for example, the Michelin CrossClimate.  Mind you, one recent poster spoke very favourably of another, even newer Goodyear All Season tyre.

[Boeryeoes]

3 years oh dear … thanks for your response!   I currently have the cross climate 2 all season tires and the ride is subpar.  The car pulls to one side and is very sensitive to wind and road characteristics.  Nothing like my previous Bridgestone Sport tires, but these were very noisy with poor economy. 

[LenT]

10 minutes ago, Boeryeoes said:

I currently have the cross climate 2 all season tires and the ride is subpar.  The car pulls to one side and is very sensitive to wind and road characteristics.

The Michelins are excellent tyres and the problems you describe would not be characteristic.  The first thought that occurs to me is that you should check the tyre pressures.

If you’re not sure what they should be, you’ll find a plate listing the pressures fixed to the driver’s door frame - from memory!

Another possibility is that the tracking is incorrect, which would also contribute to the pulling effect.  One clue is that the tyre wear across the tread will be uneven and you may even see ‘feathering’ on the tyre blocks.

I’d be inclined to take the car to a good tyre retailer and have the tyres and steering/suspension geometry checked.

 

[Boeryeoes]

I’ve had the alignment checked twice by different garages.  Pressures are ok.  
i have found references that these are problems that can occur with rear wheel drive cars.  

I have previously used the cc gen1 on my ct200 without issues.  

[Notamech]

10 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

3 years oh dear … thanks for your response!   I currently have the cross climate 2 all season tires and the ride is subpar.  The car pulls to one side and is very sensitive to wind and road characteristics.  Nothing like my previous Bridgestone Sport tires, but these were very noisy with poor economy. 

I had cross climates on the front and like you i found them quite noisy. Especially on concrete stretches of the motorway they were unbareable. But from what I understand that is to be expected if you have an all season tyre but michelin are probably one of the better ones. Summer tyres typically tend to be less noisy. I now have the asymmetric 6 on the front and 5 on the back. I find them quite good. I dont push the car and use it and primarily in the city so noise and comfort are the only two things i can gauge it on and its been great on both. Il be getting them on the back as well shortly. 

[LenT]

10 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

I currently have the cross climate 2 all season tires and the ride is subpar.  The car pulls to one side and is very sensitive to wind and road characteristics.

How many miles have you done on these tyres?  The general recommendation is to change the tyre at 3mm tread depth.

If there’s no signs of uneven wear and the pressures, tracking and wheel geometry are all correct, as you say, then when did these problems first become obvious?  Did they develop over time?  

9 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

i have found references that these are problems that can occur with rear wheel drive cars.  

Not something I’ve heard myself!  

Have you tried swapping the wheels from front to back, to see if that makes a difference? The best tyres should be on the rears anyway.

The Michelin CC is a directional tyre and an arrow on the outside tyre wall indicates the direction of forward rotation.  So they can’t be changed from side to side, but maybe this has been done in the past?

We have the Michelins on another car, and the Goodyears on the Lexus.  They’re both excellent tyres - as the tyre reviews confirm.  Subjectively the blocky tread of the Michelins looks to me like it would be the more effective in very wet and snowy conditions - but differences in tyre compound would also have an effect.

So I’m very satisfied with the Goodyears on the Lexus.

Frankly, if you fit a new set of Goodyears correctly - or Michelins, come to that - and still have the problems you describe, then I can’t see how it can be anything to do with the tyres!

Maybe someone else has some other ideas?  Still, all the best!

[Boeryeoes]

The issues were immediately and since then I’ve done about 10k on them.  
 

i then had the wheels realigned which marginally improved the situation.  
 

then i went to a Lexus specialist who found nothing wrong with the tires nor the ditting, and did another wheel realignment and calibrated the steering wheel, which further improved the situation.  
 

but what remains is that the tires are not stable in a straight line and you always have to be alert that it starts drifting, usually to the right (our roads are lower on the right hand side) and it’s worse at higher speeds.  But sometimes all is well so i think the tire is just very sensitive.  I read somewhere that the tire surface, veinf slightly concave with no central grooves give it worse straight line stability, especially on a tear wheel drive car.  
 

i find this web page which is a perfect fit to to my issues, which is who I’m considering replacement. 
https://motorhungry.com/michelin-crossclimate-2-problems/

 

[LenT]

Thanks for your interesting reply, but I'm not sure there's much more I can add.

Of course, much depends on your driving style.  At 10K miles I would expect to see hardly any wear, for example.  But I wonder if you are worrying unnecessarily?

9 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

the tires are not stable in a straight line and you always have to be alert that it starts drifting, usually to the right (our roads are lower on the right hand side) and it’s worse at higher speeds.

Drifting to one side on notably cambered roads is what wheels tend to do - especially at higher speeds.  I can sometimes get the same effect if I take my hands off the wheel.  I suppose it can be mitigated by adjusting the toe-in, for example, but that might create other problems.

9 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

 I read somewhere that the tire surface, veinf slightly concave with no central grooves give it worse straight line stability, especially on a tear wheel drive car.  

I don't really understand this comment.  No tyre, once at operating temperature, should be even slightly concave.  What would be the point?  Tyres are designed to be flat across the tread and so present the maximum amount of rubber to the road surface.  After all, it's the only contact your car has with the road!

If the tread is concave, the tyre's underinflated.

9 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

i find this web page which is a perfect fit to to my issues, which is who I’m considering replacement. 
https://motorhungry.com/michelin-crossclimate-2-problems/

I had a look at this article and I wonder if your confidence might be misplaced?

It seems to me that his 'research' primarily consists of trawling social media sites eg Reddit for comments about tyres.  As a scientific analysis, this is a non-starter!  He's simply cherry-picking comments by posters about whom he knows nothing.

He doesn't know how they drive, how well they maintain their cars, how knowledgeable they are?  Or even, come to that, if they work for Yokohama or Goodyear!

Nevertheless, his conclusions are definitive:.  

Customers have reported numerous Michelin CrossClimate 2 problems in product reviews and ratings – most notably, the tires are noisy...

But two paragraphs earlier he states:

While some customers experienced very loud road noises when driving with CrossClimate 2 tires (especially at high speeds), other customers were pleasantly surprised by the low noise output they experienced while driving.

So is 'some' customers more or less numerically greater than 'other' customers? Is the claimed difference in road noise due to underinflation, road surface, tracking errors - he has no way of knowing!  So on what basis has he decided to feature the negatives in his summary and ignore a significant positive?

I respectfully suggest that without that data, the mere fact that you personally identify with one criticism does not mean that it was a substantial verdict of them all!

These kinds of totally contradictory comments are typical of virtually all such 'expert' comparative sites, irrespective of the product.

For a more reliable and considered approach, this is a good example.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2022-Tyre-Reviews-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

Here, one professional driver takes a selection of comparable tyres around the same test track on the same car in the same weather conditions, evaluating each tyre's performance against set criteria.  True, there is still a degree of subjectivity involved, but it is that of an experienced tester in circumstances in which he can make direct and immediate comparisons.

Consider your driving style and priorities in terms of tyre performance.  If they're more accurately reflected in professional tests like these, then that's the guidance I would be inclined to follow.

But just to throw a little spanner into your selection...another poster has just ordered his new UX with....Goodyear Vector All Season Gen3.  So there's a thought!  🙂

[RONNIE W HODGEKINSON]

On 10/2/2023 at 5:30 PM, LenT said:

The Michelins are excellent tyres and the problems you describe would not be characteristic.  The first thought that occurs to me is that you should check the tyre pressures.

If you’re not sure what they should be, you’ll find a plate listing the pressures fixed to the driver’s door frame - from memory!

Another possibility is that the tracking is incorrect, which would also contribute to the pulling effect.  One clue is that the tyre wear across the tread will be uneven and you may even see ‘feathering’ on the tyre blocks.

I’d be inclined to take the car to a good tyre retailer and have the tyres and steering/suspension geometry checked.

 

Strongly agree with your comments Len

[LenT]

30 minutes ago, RONNIE W HODGEKINSON said:

Strongly agree with your comments Len

I appreciate that, Ronnie.

Despite the fact that you’ve just cost me £80!

It was your enthusiastic recommendation of the Milenco steering wheel lock that finally decided me to buy one.  It arrived an hour ago.

I wasn’t going to bother for an eight year old car, but it’s coming up to my Birthday so I thought - what the heck - let’s celebrate!  🥳

[J Henderson]

On 10/2/2023 at 5:30 PM, LenT said:

The Michelins are excellent tyres and the problems you describe would not be characteristic.

Agreed, also. My experience is exactly the opposite in my 2nd-Gen IS.

I have two wheel & tyre packages that I swap between, and the CC2s are way quieter and softer-riding compared to the "normal" set of tyres (Michelin PS4, in my case).

The PS4s will definitely exhibit some of the issues being mentioned - tramlining & wandering on uneven surfaces or painted lines etc, but not the CrossClimates.

My only complaint with them is that they're a lot slower to respond to steering inputs.

[Boeryeoes]

Thanks for the honest feedback.  I’m still pondering what to do. Fact is my previous bridgestone sport tires had very good handling and were very stable.  Things i miss with the cc2 despite several checks and realignments.  
 

Going back to a sportier tire may be a subjective move but i don’t know what else to try.  

[LenT]

2 hours ago, Boeryeoes said:

Fact is my previous bridgestone sport tires had very good handling and were very stable.  Things i miss with the cc2 despite several checks and realignments.  

If that’s the case, and presuming it’s the Bridgestone Potenza you refer to, then you might be interested in this Review.  Among others, it compares the Potenza with the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 6.

It’s also a good demonstration of how to analyse the performance of different tyres.  But again I think it’s important to apply comments to your own driving style and road conditions.  There may well be negative observations that you feel will not really apply in your circumstances.  

Still, do let us know what you finally decide!  👍

 

 

 

[Boeryeoes]

Great video thanks! In know the channel, they have good reviews.  Nice to hear his comments on the bridgestones match my own experience (steering feel, noise and comfort).  
 

The Conti’s are definitely interesting.  based. Checking more reviews on tirereviews.com the Goodyear Asymmetric have more comfort at still very good performance and stability so i still favour these.

 

 

 

 

[RONNIE W HODGEKINSON]

14 hours ago, LenT said:

I appreciate that, Ronnie.

Despite the fact that you’ve just cost me £80!

It was your enthusiastic recommendation of the Milenco steering wheel lock that finally decided me to buy one.  It arrived an hour ago.

I wasn’t going to bother for an eight year old car, but it’s coming up to my Birthday so I thought - what the heck - let’s celebrate!  🥳

True Wealth Len Has absolutely Nothing to do With Money...I Just love this Steering Wheel lock.. Fits Vertically between the wheel struts for added security and looks Really Good.... Much better in my Opinion than The Stoplock Pro Elite less Cumbersome.But hey.. Thats only my Opinion.. You Made a GREAT choice Len .. AND What else would you do with your Money Len..? Bet You Can afford it  LOL LOL Ps mind put it on Vertically..and between the struts..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LenT]

5 hours ago, RONNIE W HODGEKINSON said:

True Wealth Len Has absolutely Nothing to do With Money.

Sound advice as ever, Ronnie.  🙂

(Hard to explain to my accountant, however.)

5 hours ago, RONNIE W HODGEKINSON said:

Fits Vertically between the wheel struts for added security and looks Really Good...

The box illustration shows it horizontally across the top of the wheel - which didn't seem to work for me no matter how much fumbling went on in the driver's seat.  (Stop that sniggering at the back there!)

But as you rightly say, placing it vertically and near the passenger side, meant it embraced the top of the wheel, the centre spoke and the bottom of the wheel.  Removal - given that the sturdy lock itself lived up to its claims - would require cutting through the top and bottom of the wheel and the spoke in-between. Probably generating enough noise for a long enough time to put off the opportunist thief.

5 hours ago, RONNIE W HODGEKINSON said:

What else would you do with your Money Len..? Bet You Can afford it 

Yes, indeed.  Otherwise I'd probably just fritter it away on non-essentials! 😄

[RONNIE W HODGEKINSON]

6 hours ago, RONNIE W HODGEKINSON said:

True Wealth Len Has absolutely Nothing to do With Money...I Just love this Steering Wheel lock.. Fits Vertically between the wheel struts for added security and looks Really Good.... Much better in my Opinion than The Stoplock Pro Elite less Cumbersome.But hey.. Thats only my Opinion.. You Made a GREAT choice Len .. AND What else would you do with your Money Len..? Bet You Can afford it  LOL LOL Ps mind put it on Vertically..and between the struts..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW.. My Birthdays on Saturday Len 21 + Vat

[Boeryeoes]

Update on tires: i just had my CC2's replaced by Goodyear's Eagle F1 Asymmetrical 6's and my troubles are gone! 😁

The car now is stable in a straight line and it does not pull to right anymore.  Happy me!

I noticed that the Michelins have a 91 load index whereas the Goodyears are 94.  Could that have any baring on my problems with the CC2's?

Keeping the CC2's although not sure what I'll do with them.