2021 Lexus UX 300e

[flookyk]

9 hours ago, ganzoom said:

Solid state batteries isn't even out of lab tech, and decades away from commercial production volumes.

Sony released the first mass production consumer level lithium ion cells in the 1990s, and its only now the costs of production is dropping.

According to Toyota their first cars with solid state Battery systems will be on sale in 2022.

[ColinBarber]

49 minutes ago, flookyk said:

According to Toyota their first cars with solid state battery systems will be on sale in 2022.

but they have also stated they don't expect mass-production until 2025 at the earliest.

[ganzoom]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:36 AM, flookyk said:

According to Toyota their first cars with solid state battery systems will be on sale in 2022.

If I had a £1 for a every single promise on 'new' Battery tech....

[ganzoom]

On 6/18/2021 at 8:30 AM, EvilRacer329 said:

The case for hydrogen is that it can be stored and transferred to vehicles in a similar manner to petrol. 

No it cannot. Petrol is a relative stable fuel, that can be stored in any thing that can hold water, doesn't react unless exposed to extreme heat, and doesn't leak.

The liquid hydrogen used in fuel cells cars have to be compressed to over 10,000 PSI, that's no far off the pressure at the deepest part of the ocean. 

Hydrogen will react with anything, and 'burns' with no warning. 

As a 'fuel' its awful, it has no resemblance to hydrocarbon fuels. 

The 'vision' sold by pro hydrogen groups is a lie, simply go and looks at the physics and details you will come to the same conclusion.

[royoftherovers]

From today`s Daily Telegraph;

Electric car revolution risks mountain of toxic Battery waste

Gigafactories' green push towards net zero emissions could create millions of tonnes of hazardous junk

ByMatthew Field19 June 2021 • 9:00am

It once housed RAF fighter squadrons during the Battle of Britain. But soon Coventry Airport could be home to a Battery revolution in the West Midlands.

The site is one proposed home for a UK “gigafactory”, a Battery plant that will provide the power source for the millions of electric vehicles (EVs) the Government hopes will one day be built in Britain.

Andy Street, the West Midlands mayor, declared he “will not rest” until the region has the gigafactory it needs.

UK start-up BritishVolt is said to have considered the land for its £2.6bn gigafactory, but turned it down. Other firms reported to be looking at the UK are Slovakia’s Inobat, Samsung and LG Chem. Ford is also considering where to put a Battery plant for its upcoming electric Transit Custom van. The Government has pledged £500m to support gigafactory projects.

While it is hoped laying down huge gigafactories that will produce millions of batteries to go in electric vehicles across Europe can cut down on carbon emissions from transport, with it comes a new problem: e-waste.

“The incoming tsunami of end-of-life batteries is still yet to come,” says Ajay Kochhar, chief executive of Li-Cycle, North America’s largest lithium-ion recycling company. “The first generation of electric cars only hit the road a few years ago.”

The raw materials needed to make electric car batteries are scarce. Cobalt, nickel and lithium all have hotly contested supply chains. Recycling these metals could provide a valuable source where there are no local mines.

Britain is racing to secure Battery manufacturing capacity having fallen behind Europe. So far there are 38 Battery gigafactories planned across Europe. Just one has a confirmed UK site, BritishVolt, which has a location in Blythe planned.

An artist's impression of BritishVolt's Battery plant in Blythe CREDIT: BritishVolt

Another British firm, AMTE Power, is planning a two-gigawatt factory. Its chief executive Kevin Brundish, warns the industry needs “significantly higher levels of support” than the current £500m.

Analysts Benchmark Mineral Intelligence say more like £15bn is needed, with at least 25pc from the state. “Without lithium ion batteries, you won’t have rapid mass adoption of EVs,” they say. “And without lithium, cobalt [and] nickel … you won’t have lithium ion batteries.”

Electric car batteries have a relatively long lifespan of up to 15 years, but they will soon be piling up. Gavin Harper, a fellow at the Faraday Institution and researcher at the University of Birmingham, calculates that there will be about 8m tonnes of waste batteries by 2040, roughly 1.3 times the mass of the Great Pyramid of Giza.

 

Recycling conundrum

Waste batteries, in particular cobalt, risk being toxic. Figures for how many lithium batteries are recycled vary from as low as 5pc to just under half. But for Harper, the coming surplus of electric batteries should be viewed as “an enormous resource”.

Electric cars normally run on lithium-ion batteries which contain several hundred individual lithium-ion cells. There is value that can be extracted from the metals used to create these batteries which can be reused or cleaned and recycled.

However, due to the hazardous materials the batteries contain, they require proper dismantling to avoid them exploding.

Carmakers are also looking at lithium iron phosphate batteries, which are cheaper because they use abundant iron rather than rarer metals. These are now being used in Tesla’s Model 3 cars. However, the cheaper price of their raw materials means there is less value in recycling them.

“It’s a very good Battery material,” says Paul Anderson, co-director of Birmingham University’s Centre for Strategic Elements and Critical Materials. “The sting in the tail is that it’s the value of the expensive metals that makes recycling viable.”

Soon, these batteries will be present in tens of millions of cars. By 2030, there will be 145m electric cars on the roads compared to just 11m today.

Battery recycling faces something of a chicken and egg problem. It is hard to justify ramping up recycling with so few electric cars on the roads – meaning batteries go to waste.

Hans Eric Melin at Circular Energy Storage says there is capacity to recycle batteries, in particular in China. However, he warns that this makes it more challenging to build up capacity in Europe, not least in the UK. The challenge of recycling the coming wave of lithium ion batteries appears daunting, but there is a precedent.

“Around 96pc of lead acid batteries are recycled or reused,” says Saiful Islam, professor of materials chemistry at the University of Bath. “That will be the same for lithium ion in cars.”

But boosting recycling will require changes from Battery makers and car manufacturers. Currently, batteries are shredded into a substance called “black mass”, a slag that is then refined so minerals can be removed. But this is energy intensive. Manually disassembling Battery parts is possible, but comes with safety hazards.

Recycled lithium-ion batteries are turned into black mass from which minerals can be removed CREDIT: Mark Lopez/Argonne National Laboratory

Harper believes robotics and automation can speed up the process and make it safer. apple has built a robot, called Daisy, that can disassemble iPhones for the valuable minerals inside.

Carmakers also have a role to play, Harper says. “There is a massive case for designing for recycling,” he says. Currently most car batteries and parts are glued together, making unpicking them costly.

There is also a business opportunity. The market for recycling lithium ion batteries is thought to be in the region of $12bn by 2025. The European Union is updating its Battery Directive that demands a minimum level of recycled material is used in new batteries.

While the brunt of the Battery recycling challenge may seem far off, some of it is needed now, says Simon Moores, managing director of Benchmark Mineral Intelligence. Even in the manufacturing process “scrap rates can be 25pc to start with”, he says. “Recycling is needed adjacent to Battery plants.”

There is a risk of the UK falling behind on recycling. According to a report from the University of Warwick, there are no large scale lithium ion Battery recycling sites in the UK, and most of our waste is exported. They argue recycling could fulfil 22pc of Britain’s gigafactory demand for raw materials.

Harper says recycling batteries shouldn’t be seen as a painful cost. He notes Chinese Battery makers, such as BYB, are already looking at how their cells can be recycled to re-use these rare materials on the cheap.

He argues that the industry’s current approach to batteries, which sees them “shred them and then work out what to do with that waste”, needs to change – which will start with the Battery companies and carmakers building plants in Britain. “If you want to recover the cathode intact, it would be much better to design batteries to be disassembled,” Harper says.

For him, it is a way for Britain to extract raw materials that might be rare in the UK and create a domestic supply from nothing. “These metals are really valuable and we do not have an indigenous supply in the UK. It is urban mining in a high tech way,” he says.

If he is right, Britain’s proposed gigafactories, such as at Coventry airport and in Blythe, will soon need giga-recycling plants to go alongside them.

[paulrnx]

There is a quote in the latest Car magazine in the letters page from someone who has designed engines all his life. He says that combustion engines are sustainable in production but unsustainable in operation (fossil fuels) but that BEVs are unsustainable in production (rate metals etc) but sustainable in operation. Probably a good analysis of where we are now. The disposal of spent batteries further down the line is also not easy. There will be solutions in time to come I’m sure.

Is any other industry quite so advanced in terms of trying to clean up its act though? Cars are not responsible for anywhere near the total amount of pollution and yet cars are always seen as the enemy, the area that needs to be curbed, the area that has to change.

[EvilRacer329]

15 hours ago, paulrnx said:

There is a quote in the latest Car magazine in the letters page from someone who has designed engines all his life. He says that combustion engines are sustainable in production but unsustainable in operation (fossil fuels) but that BEVs are unsustainable in production (rate metals etc) but sustainable in operation. Probably a good analysis of where we are now. The disposal of spent batteries further down the line is also not easy. There will be solutions in time to come I’m sure.

Is any other industry quite so advanced in terms of trying to clean up its act though? Cars are not responsible for anywhere near the total amount of pollution and yet cars are always seen as the enemy, the area that needs to be curbed, the area that has to change.

I don't disagree; I think that the decision to outright ban internal-combustion vehicles so soon is a tactical one. I'm not an expert (I don't think any of us here are) but I suspect that hybrids like our Lexuses are a good compromise while Battery technology evolves. The problem is that car manufacturers proved universally that they were never going to put in the development efforts into alternatives until they were issued with an existential ultimatum. Now, suddenly, they're throwing themselves at the problem and previously impossible electric options are springing up like a desert bloom.

If it turns out that electric vehicles are not any more sustainable than internal combustion options then the answer is depressingly simple: we either give up driving (so much) or we irrevocably poison the planet we live on. A century of slowly warming the planet through thoughtless overconsumption is finally having an impact, and none of the options look good. We can argue forever about what we *should* do, and I'm sure government advisors are arguing and debating the same solutions at cross purposes in the corridors of power. But the die has been cast; a decision had to be made to make a change, and hope that it's for the better. Now we all have to figure out how we're going to adapt.

Nick

[ColinBarber]

1 hour ago, EvilRacer329 said:

If it turns out that electric vehicles are not any more sustainable than internal combustion options

EVs are more efficient than ICE vehicles, by a substantial amount, and the ability to recycle the batteries is improving all the time. But it isn't just about sustainability; ICE vehicles polluting streets rather than the ability to control/contain pollution at centralised locations is another major factor.

[Phil xxkr]

1 hour ago, ColinBarber said:

EVs are more efficient than ICE vehicles, by a substantial amount, and the ability to recycle the batteries is improving all the time. But it isn't just about sustainability; ICE vehicles polluting streets rather than the ability to control/contain pollution at centralised locations is another major factor.

No, it's just not about sustainable ideals, here is the owner of Vauxhall motors 

"

Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Stellantis, forecast a future where only the rich could afford cars because making them emissions-free would ramp up prices. 

“I can’t imagine a democratic society where there is no freedom of mobility because it’s only for wealthy people and all the others will use public transport,” he said. The pandemic has underlined the public’s dependence on cars for “personal mobility”, Mr Tavares added. 

Car manufacturers are confident about making vehicles that can meet environmental goals, he said, but questioned whether that could be done without prices rising significantly.

“How can we protect freedom of mobility for the middle class who may not be able to afford €30,000 for a Battery electric vehicle when today they pay half that for the same product with a conventional engine? 

“If we make mobility only affordable for the wealthy people, we will not have a strong impact because we will have a fleet of old cars which will continue to emit,” the executive said.

Mr Tavares, speaking at a Financial Times event, hit out at governments for forcing the automotive industry to switch to electric cars rather than consider other low carbon technology. “The scientific decision on the choice of this technology has not been made by the automotive industry.”

He warned that the dictat could be counter-productive in terms of air quality because vehicles are likely to be 300kg to 500kg heavier because of their Battery systems, meaning they need more energy."

Last para very enlightening 

[EvilRacer329]

1 hour ago, Phil xxkr said:

No, it's just not about sustainable ideals, here is the owner of Vauxhall motors 

"

Carlos Tavares, chief executive of Stellantis, forecast a future where only the rich could afford cars because making them emissions-free would ramp up prices. 

“I can’t imagine a democratic society where there is no freedom of mobility because it’s only for wealthy people and all the others will use public transport,” he said. The pandemic has underlined the public’s dependence on cars for “personal mobility”, Mr Tavares added. 

Car manufacturers are confident about making vehicles that can meet environmental goals, he said, but questioned whether that could be done without prices rising significantly.

“How can we protect freedom of mobility for the middle class who may not be able to afford €30,000 for a battery electric vehicle when today they pay half that for the same product with a conventional engine? 

“If we make mobility only affordable for the wealthy people, we will not have a strong impact because we will have a fleet of old cars which will continue to emit,” the executive said.

Mr Tavares, speaking at a Financial Times event, hit out at governments for forcing the automotive industry to switch to electric cars rather than consider other low carbon technology. “The scientific decision on the choice of this technology has not been made by the automotive industry.”

He warned that the dictat could be counter-productive in terms of air quality because vehicles are likely to be 300kg to 500kg heavier because of their battery systems, meaning they need more energy."

Last para very enlightening 

Looks like I'm not the only one thinking along these lines, and this guy has a hell of a lot more industry experience than I do. I guess I'm just resigned to the fact that we probably are moving towards a future where only the wealthy can afford cars. At the very least, there will be a long period where this is the case, and hopefully technology will eventually bring prices down. A personal computer used to cost thousands and thousands of pounds in the 1980's, and now anyone can pick up a good laptop for a few hundred. In 20-30 years time I daresay we'll have figured out how to make £15k electric cars that don't weigh 2 tonnes and can manage more than 100 miles to a charge. But the climate can't afford to wait for us to develop that tech, and businesses won't be incentivised to develop them quickly unless their profits are threatened.

Nick

[Phil xxkr]

7 minutes ago, EvilRacer329 said:

Looks like I'm not the only one thinking along these lines, and this guy has a hell of a lot more industry experience than I do. I guess I'm just resigned to the fact that we probably are moving towards a future where only the wealthy can afford cars. At the very least, there will be a long period where this is the case, and hopefully technology will eventually bring prices down. A personal computer used to cost thousands and thousands of pounds in the 1980's, and now anyone can pick up a good laptop for a few hundred. In 20-30 years time I daresay we'll have figured out how to make £15k electric cars that don't weigh 2 tonnes and can manage more than 100 miles to a charge. But the climate can't afford to wait for us to develop that tech, and businesses won't be incentivised to develop them quickly unless their profits are threatened.

Nick

Ev's from a governmental point of view have one aim in mind - to be able to control a populations individual mobility in the same way smart meters will control your energy consumption and money in a cashless society, pretty bleak really. The fact that the climate changes goes along with the fact it always has and always will. The travesty is the way anthrogenics are blamed to support this "green" fundamentalism. For example, Co2 emissions when water vapour is far more critical and some eminent scientists argue we are, in fact, in a carbon deficit. 

[ColinBarber]

3 hours ago, Phil xxkr said:

“How can we protect freedom of mobility for the middle class who may not be able to afford €30,000 for a battery electric vehicle when today they pay half that for the same product with a conventional engine? 

hmmm.

Well the Corsa starts at just under £17k and the EV version starts at just under £23.5k at the moment so not sure there is double the cost.

It will be up to the car industry to push development to get the vehicles more affordable, otherwise new players will come in and take their market share. 

[Phil xxkr]

5 hours ago, ColinBarber said:

hmmm.

Well the Corsa starts at just under £17k and the EV version starts at just under £23.5k at the moment so not sure there is double the cost.

It will be up to the car industry to push development to get the vehicles more affordable, otherwise new players will come in and take their market share. 

You must have a good supply contact Colin most corsa Ev's I have so far seen are thick end of 30k?.and existing car companies have huge sunk costs in buildings plant machinery etc that simply just can't be written off just like that. And these companies are still making immense investments in this country to support the ongoing commitment to the ICE in addition to electric 

[ColinBarber]

3 hours ago, Phil xxkr said:

You must have a good supply contact Colin most corsa Ev's I have so far seen are thick end of 30k?.and existing car companies have huge sunk costs in buildings plant machinery etc that simply just can't be written off just like that. And these companies are still making immense investments in this country to support the ongoing commitment to the ICE in addition to electric 

straight from the Vauxhall website:

[Phil xxkr]

10 hours ago, ColinBarber said:

straight from the Vauxhall website:

 

10 hours ago, ColinBarber said:

straight from the Vauxhall website:

 

10 hours ago, ColinBarber said:

straight from the Vauxhall website:

That's a staggering discount albeit limited stock ! Who wants to be a dealer when your supplier undercuts you like that? But the Vauxhall boss was sorta right with an entry level corsa circa 15 and E 30k. Be interesting to see what depreciation looks like in the future 

[royoftherovers]

20 minutes ago, Phil xxkr said:

 

 

That's a staggering discount albeit limited stock ! Who wants to be a dealer when your supplier undercuts you like that? But the Vauxhall boss was sorta right with an entry level corsa circa 15 and E 30k. Be interesting to see what depreciation looks like in the future 

Typical Vauxhall discounts.

The Diesel Electrics are even cheaper when bought through their British Rail subsidiary !😉

[Phil xxkr]

10 minutes ago, royoftherovers said:

Typical Vauxhall discounts.

The Diesel Electrics are even cheaper when bought through their British Rail subsidiary !😉

The joy of knowing 😎

[ganzoom]

On 6/22/2021 at 7:25 AM, EvilRacer329 said:

answer is depressingly simple: we either give up driving (so much) or we irrevocably poison the planet we live on.  

I wouldn’t call it depressing more a simple fact. Most kids will recognise the answer, but us adults don't have the common sense of kids and we all what the results will be.

Luckily all of us mortals have finite life spans, my biggest wish is I'm lone gone before the results of our actions really change the world in ways we cannot even imagine.

Like any addiction, if we all just focus on today and not think about tomorrow it'll all be fine :).

[Phil xxkr]

3 hours ago, ganzoom said:

I wouldn’t call it depressing more a simple fact. Most kids will recognise the answer, but us adults don't have the common sense of kids and we all what the results will be.

Luckily all of us mortals have finite life spans, my biggest wish is I'm lone gone before the results of our actions really change the world in ways we cannot even imagine.

Like any addiction, if we all just focus on today and not think about tomorrow it'll all be fine :).

LONG LIST OF FAILED CLIMATE PREDICTIONS

Climate Forecast Headline Predictions
1967 Salt Lake Tribune: Dire Famine Forecast by 1975, Already Too Late

1969 NYT: "Unless we are extremely lucky, everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam in 20 years. The situation will get worse unless we change our behavior."

1970 Boston Globe: Scientist Predicts New Ice Age by 21st Century said James P. Lodge, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

1971 Washington Post: Disastrous New Ice Age Coming says S.I. Rasool at NASA.

1972 Brown University Letter to President Nixon: Warning on Global Cooling

1974 The Guardian: Space Satellites Show Ice Age Coming Fast

1974 Time Magazine: Another Ice Age "Telling signs everywhere. Since the 1940s mean global temperatures have dropped 2.7 degrees F."

1974 "Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to Life" University of Michigan Scientist

1976 NYT The Cooling: University of Wisconsin climatologist Stephen Schneider laments about the "deaf ear his warnings received."

1988 Agence France Press: Maldives will be Completely Under Water in 30 Years.

1989 Associated Press: UN Official Says Rising Seas to 'Obliterate Nations' by 2000.

1989 Salon: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 said Jim Hansen the scientist who lectured Congress in 1988 about the greenhouse effect.

2000 The Independent: "Snowfalls are a thing of the past. Our children will not know what snow is," says senior climate researcher.

2004 The Guardian: The Pentagon Tells Bush Climate Change Will Destroy Us. "Britain will be Siberian in less than 20 years," the Pentagon told Bush.

2008 Associate Press: NASA Scientist says "We're Toast. In 5-10 years the Arctic will be Ice Free"

2008 Al Gore: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013.

2009 The Independent: Prince Charles says Just 96 Months to Save the World. "The price of capitalism is too high."

2009 The Independent: Gordon Brown says "We have fewer than 50 days to save our planet from catastrophe."

2013 The Guardian: The Arctic will be Ice Free in Two Years. "The release of a 50 gigaton of methane pulse" will destabilize the planet.

2013 The Guardian: US Navy Predicts Ice Free Arctic by 2016. "The US Navy's department of Oceanography uses complex modeling to makes its forecast more accurate than others.

2014 John Kerry: "We have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos" discussed Sec of State John Kerry and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.

The above items are thanks to 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions.

The article has actual news clips and links to everyone of the above stories.

What Happened to the Glaciers?
On January 17, 2020 Montana Public Radio reported Scientists Predicted Glacier Park's Glaciers Would Be Gone By Now. What Happened?

Last week, Glacier National Park announced that it will be changing signs warning that its signature glaciers would disappear by 2020. The park says the signs, put in more than a decade ago, were based on the best available predictions at the time.

In terms of the predictions, the latest that I've seen actually comes from a group of Swiss researchers. So I would have to look at their results in more detail than is possible from looking at the paper they published to be able to say definitively when all the glaciers are are hosed and no longer present, but certainly by 2100.

[EvilRacer329]

1 hour ago, Phil xxkr said:

LONG LIST OF FAILED CLIMATE PREDICTIONS

Climate Forecast Headline Predictions
1967 Salt Lake Tribune: Dire Famine Forecast by 1975, Already Too Late

1969 NYT: "Unless we are extremely lucky, everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam in 20 years. The situation will get worse unless we change our behavior."

1970 Boston Globe: Scientist Predicts New Ice Age by 21st Century said James P. Lodge, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

1971 Washington Post: Disastrous New Ice Age Coming says S.I. Rasool at NASA.

1972 Brown University Letter to President Nixon: Warning on Global Cooling

1974 The Guardian: Space Satellites Show Ice Age Coming Fast

1974 Time Magazine: Another Ice Age "Telling signs everywhere. Since the 1940s mean global temperatures have dropped 2.7 degrees F."

1974 "Ozone Depletion a Great Peril to Life" University of Michigan Scientist

1976 NYT The Cooling: University of Wisconsin climatologist Stephen Schneider laments about the "deaf ear his warnings received."

1988 Agence France Press: Maldives will be Completely Under Water in 30 Years.

1989 Associated Press: UN Official Says Rising Seas to 'Obliterate Nations' by 2000.

1989 Salon: New York City’s West Side Highway underwater by 2019 said Jim Hansen the scientist who lectured Congress in 1988 about the greenhouse effect.

2000 The Independent: "Snowfalls are a thing of the past. Our children will not know what snow is," says senior climate researcher.

2004 The Guardian: The Pentagon Tells Bush Climate Change Will Destroy Us. "Britain will be Siberian in less than 20 years," the Pentagon told Bush.

2008 Associate Press: NASA Scientist says "We're Toast. In 5-10 years the Arctic will be Ice Free"

2008 Al Gore: Al Gore warns of ice-free Arctic by 2013.

2009 The Independent: Prince Charles says Just 96 Months to Save the World. "The price of capitalism is too high."

2009 The Independent: Gordon Brown says "We have fewer than 50 days to save our planet from catastrophe."

2013 The Guardian: The Arctic will be Ice Free in Two Years. "The release of a 50 gigaton of methane pulse" will destabilize the planet.

2013 The Guardian: US Navy Predicts Ice Free Arctic by 2016. "The US Navy's department of Oceanography uses complex modeling to makes its forecast more accurate than others.

2014 John Kerry: "We have 500 days to Avoid Climate Chaos" discussed Sec of State John Kerry and French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabious at a joint meeting.

The above items are thanks to 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions.

The article has actual news clips and links to everyone of the above stories.

What Happened to the Glaciers?
On January 17, 2020 Montana Public Radio reported Scientists Predicted Glacier Park's Glaciers Would Be Gone By Now. What Happened?

Last week, Glacier National Park announced that it will be changing signs warning that its signature glaciers would disappear by 2020. The park says the signs, put in more than a decade ago, were based on the best available predictions at the time.

In terms of the predictions, the latest that I've seen actually comes from a group of Swiss researchers. So I would have to look at their results in more detail than is possible from looking at the paper they published to be able to say definitively when all the glaciers are are hosed and no longer present, but certainly by 2100.

If we're going to descend into climate change denying then I'll check out of this thread. If past predictions turn out to have been overly pessimistic, I'll call that a blessing. In many cases those dire warnings resulted in policy and social changes that ensured they have yet to come to pass.

I know that the average Lexus owner is closer to retirement than their A-Levels, but some of us are going to live long enough to boil and drown in the mess we've inherited.

Nick

[Phil xxkr]

1 hour ago, EvilRacer329 said:

If we're going to descend into climate change denying then I'll check out of this thread. If past predictions turn out to have been overly pessimistic, I'll call that a blessing. In many cases those dire warnings resulted in policy and social changes that ensured they have yet to come to pass.

I know that the average Lexus owner is closer to retirement than their A-Levels, but some of us are going to live long enough to boil and drown in the mess we've inherited.

Nick

It is truly disturbing to me that if an average Lexus owner contests a current, in vogue, thesis then it's clearly a consequence of their age and not based on the fundamental precept of all science ie scepticism. It's 2021 yet we are constantly being told, not advised, told, to believe in the opinions of so called experts despite a mountain of empirical evidence to show that they are consistently wrong. Witness CV-19 forecasts and the untold consequences that will arise from this malign manipulation of evidence. I should be more concerned about this in the short term than all the polar bears becoming extinct. And I repeat that no one denies the weather changes, always has always will but to attribute an "end to the world" scenario purely down to anthropogenic causes is simply not true. Us, more worldy wise, experienced through age, Lexus drivers know this to be so and question the drivers of such thoughts and their agenda. But for younger heads imbibed in propaganda will not, so when, as an example, lock downs to support climate change come along they will believe that to be entirely reasonable. 

[talaipwros]

So after the disaster that the ID3 was, I bought a Nissan Leaf e+ tekna,  a car that surprisingly reminds me - and the misus - a lot the Lexus CT.

Actually I think that if lexus could put the UX300e Battery into the CT body and price it accordingly, would sell like hot bread.

 

Anyway,  pretty happy with it, it's no Lexus UX300e in quality but it's almost half the price,has   full spec , is surprisingly fast and will easily do 200 motorway miles ( there's been a facelift in February,  they may have tuned the Battery a bit, not sure)

 

Come on Lexus,  do your bit!

[Chris UXe]

Hi All, further to my first post a few weeks ago, my UXe is due to be delivered tomorrow by the local Lexus dealer. I'll try and send some photos of it. The home vehicle charger that's been installed is a Hypervolt- am awaiting the government grant 'refund' now. My previous company car was a 2017 Prius which was great but I'm really looking forward to the UX which will be my first Lexus. This forum has been so informative about other's experiences with the UX hybrid and EV, am glad I found it.  

Best wishes,

Chris

[royoftherovers]

You are extremely fortunate Chris to be provided with such a Company Car and I`m sure you will delighted with it.

I look forward to the photographs and a full report on its capabilities and performances when you have become sufficiently adjusted to it. A step up from a Gen4 Prius no doubt.

 We look forward to you enjoying your Membership and to answering our formidable range of questions which will tax you and determine the extent to which you have indeed consumed the contents of the Owners Handbook.🤣

Do enjoy what promises to be a cracking car !👍

[Spacewagon52]

1 minute ago, royoftherovers said:

You are extremely fortunate Chris to be provided with such a Company Car and I`m sure you will delighted with it.

I look forward to the photographs and a full report on its capabilities and performances when you have become sufficiently adjusted to it. A step up from a Gen4 Prius no doubt.

 We look forward to you enjoying your Membership and to answering our formidable range of questions which will tax you and determine the extent to which you have indeed consumed the contents of the Owners Handbook.🤣

Do enjoy what promises to be a cracking car !👍

Please don't threaten him with a test john!