Unusual mk4 ls400?

lockeyboy · July 14, 2016

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lexus-LS-400-4-0-AUTO-Very-Mint-Condition-Only-31000-Miles-FSH-12-MOT-MUST-SEE-/122045615711?hash=item1c6a7c4e5f:g:~2oAAOSwyKxXh9re

low mileage but one of the mots has the

mileage at over 50k?

Chasdad · July 14, 2016

Ended

Tinonline · July 14, 2016

How convenient?

Bluesman · July 14, 2016

If you put the item number in the eBay search box 122045615711 it still comes up and is still live.

MOT history shows that over 10 years its done barely 800 miles.so its sat around alot. One year it did 1 mile. Year 2011 2012 7th/8th August it passed the MOT twice in one day, MOT1 mileage 58,980. 2nd MOT mileage 31565 just one mile further on from the year before.

I am beginning to get that farmyard smell. I have a feeling that this has been on before and when I asked about the MOT mileage it disappeared.

Anyone going for it be very careful. Mike.

They also have a Merc on eBay with an MOT history mileage starts at 108,205 Feb 2007 then in June 2007 the mileage is 80,099

eBay ID# 122045586927.

Tinonline · July 14, 2016

It's the one with the time travel module. It's clearly failed and the part is only available from Lexus. It's expensive...relatively speaking...

Chasdad · July 14, 2016

I tried to buy a van last week . Ad says 91k mot check said 180. Van was very cheap. Silly things is if he'd had it up for what it would have been worth at 91k some people may not have bothered checking .I would because I trust no one when it comes to cars now days

Bluesman · July 15, 2016

I checked some more of their cars and they all have the same mileage discrepancy so stay away from this bunch of untrustworthy sellers.

Bluesman · July 15, 2016

They sell loads of computer stuff so they are probably well clued up on getting into the brains of cars to alter the mileages.

Malc · July 15, 2016

....... but not the records at DVLA MOT Records eh ! ............ are they sheisters ???

Malc

Bluesman · July 15, 2016

You bet they are.

Bluesman · July 16, 2016

Interesting article in todays (Sat 16th July) Sun newspaper.

DOZENS of firms are offering to slash cars’ mileage in a modern version of
the “clocking” scam.

Mechanics ask as little as £40 to knock tens of thousands of miles off digital
odometers and boost resale values.

It does not break the law because while knowingly selling a clocked car is
fraud, it is not illegal to alter the odometer’s mileage.

Business Minister Anna Soubry yesterday pledged a law change to close the
loophole.

She said: “I congratulate The Sun on this important investigation. I am
grateful. We will stop it.”

Clocking used to be common because it was easy to manually alter mechanical
odometers.

The dawn of digital meters was supposed to have ended it.

But experts now say up to ten per cent of the UK’s 32 million vehicles may be
clocked.

The Sun’s research suggests up to 100 UK firms can digitally roll back
mileage. Our investigators asked four companies to clock a car so it could
be sold for more money. Each one agreed.

Car firms say there are legitimate reasons for “mileage correction” — such as
odometer damage.

FIRMS across Britain are openly offering mileage “clocking”, a Sun
investigation has found.

The dubious practice — which lowers a car’s dashboard reading and raises its
resale value — costs as little as £40 but can add thousands to its
second-hand value. It can also help motorists to cheat on their PCP finance
deals.

However, a legal loophole means the practice only becomes illegal if the owner
or mileage clocker sells the car or gains personally from not declaring the
figure has been altered — so the business is being touted openly.

Once a car is clocked it can be impossible to detect the changes without
highly specialised equipment.
Firms say there can be legitimate reasons for “mileage correction” services —
such as odometer damage or the car’s mileage count being slightly out from
the actual distance covered.

Motor checking firms estimate that out of a total of 32million registered
vehicles on Britain’s roads there could be between 1.6 million and three
million cars with their mileage clocked back.

Up to 100 UK firms are offering the service, though the EU has vowed to ban
the practice altogether by 2018.

PCP — or personal contract purchase — is an increasingly popular way to buy a
car and involves paying in instalments, during which time the car still
belongs to a finance company and is strictly limited to a maximum annual
mileage. The customer is “fined” up to 50p for every mile above their
limit, making clocking a tempting prospect.

cruisermark · July 16, 2016

Imagine if this was done to a vehicle every year prior to is MOT - that would totally fool the system

ste42 · July 16, 2016

2 hours ago, cruisermark said:

Imagine if this was done to a vehicle every year prior to is MOT - that would totally fool the system

that is exactly whats happening a lot mark

Chasdad · July 17, 2016

If the mileage had been tampered with why would you changed it from 30 odd k to 50 something then through following year back down to 30 odd again. Couldn't it be just a mistake when the car was mot was filled in. Old baz is interested apparently

lockeyboy · July 18, 2016

There are two cheap whites one available now though...

Chasdad · July 18, 2016

Only saw two white ones. One is 3750!

ste42 · July 18, 2016

they want 4k for it

Bluesman · July 18, 2016

12 hours ago, Chasdad said:

If the mileage had been tampered with why would you changed it from 30 odd k to 50 something then through following year back down to 30 odd again. Couldn't it be just a mistake when the car was mot was filled in. Old baz is interested apparently

If you check the other cars they have for sale and also those that have completed you will find the same mileage discrepancies keep appearing. Once can be an accident twice is something that possibly needs to be looked into three and above there is criminality taking place and this is the catagory they fall into.

Bluesman · July 20, 2016

Lets hope they get to see this before they have bought it rather than after.

I have sent them two questions, 1. Can you send me a picture of the service history showing clearly the mileages in the service book. 2. Can they explain why there is a difference in the mileage showing on the DVLA MOT site and what they are declaring the mileage to be. I also told them that I had checked other cars they had for sale and also those that they had sold and nearly all of them have the same discrepancy in mileage.

I haven't heard anything back yet. Mike.

Tinonline · July 20, 2016

Sounds like a job for trading standards...

Bluesman · July 20, 2016

4 hours ago, Bluesman said:

Lets hope they get to see this before they have bought it rather than after.

I have sent them two questions, 1. Can you send me a picture of the service history showing clearly the mileages in the service book. 2. Can they explain why there is a difference in the mileage showing on the DVLA MOT site and what they are declaring the mileage to be. I also told them that I had checked other cars they had for sale and also those that they had sold and nearly all of them have the same discrepancy in mileage.

I haven't heard anything back yet. Mike.

Got a reply.............

This car was bought recently and purely to resale that’s what we doing, We tried to make some enquiries but due to lake of time and schedule unable to do so. And since we just took the car over from last owner so we cannot go back 5/6 years to clock / fiddle with mileage lol!!
This is not I think it was by mistake, because the service history was in sequence, it can't be done in one day. The company that serviced the car also did the MOT, and on the service book it has the same mileage.
As I suggested in the advert that viewing is welcome and recommended as the car speaks for itself.

So if you like the car feel free to bid, or if you like to investigate and have a view first you more then welcome.
Best Regards
Afzaal

My reply .............Thanks for the reply. I have checked a number of your cars on the MOT register either for sale or sold with relation to mileage and the same discrepancy appears on a lot of your cars, I suppose it could be bad luck on your part but you have to admit there is something very strange going on just to your cars.

Malc · July 21, 2016

why would anyone buy that when this is available, a Mk4 with Full Lexus Service History they say and only £1300 ..... if it's true, but it does look good !

https://www.gumtree.com/p/lexus/lexus-ls400-year-2000-fully-loaded-with-extras-/1175366720

woops, just noticed it's in Antrim ,,, so isn't there some potential tax clawback too maybe ?

Malc

Edited July 21, 2016 by Malc
didn't finish my post fully