Brakes

[mandon75]

I'm feeling a bit of a mug, I feel somewhat obliged to return to my dealer for maintenance and upgrades.

i have just had front tyres (Yokohama E70j) fitted with wheel alignment for £306.

i have been quoted just shy of £300 for my front brakes discs and pads. For resale am i best to get all my maintenance done at my dealer or go to an independent?

i have a service plan with my dealer so that will always get the dealer stamp in the book.

[steveledzep]

I like to get the Lexus routine service stamps in the book.  However, I'll always go to a reputable independent for discs, pads, tyres etc.

I'm certain the Lexus stamps aid selling on, but don't think the other stuff matters as long as it's done professionally.

[Wass]

Be careful about getting a non lexus/toyota source try to replace the brakes. If they don't know what they're doing the hybrid brake system will effectively lock out the system and result in a hefty recovery and reset charge by Lexus/Toyota.

 This is because the hybrid system accounts for the fact that the brakes need a servo even though the engine might not be running. changing the brakes whilst not totally disabling the system results in the lock out/ lock up. 

A surprising number of "experts" don't know about this and need those in the know to reset the system for them. 

[steveledzep]

That's a very good point Geof.  I'd missed the fact that Paul has a hybrid.

My response was from the viewpoint of a non-hybrid owner.

[Zotto]

Uhm , I have a hybrid and the difference is only that brakes last longer, any mechanic can change pads, they are like other cars, and all repairing are of course made with engine off...

[rayaans]

27 minutes ago, Zotto said:

Uhm , I have a hybrid and the difference is only that brakes last longer, any mechanic can change pads, they are like other cars, and all repairing are of course made with engine off...

You'd be surprised to learn some "experts" don't switch the engine off to do jobs as its quicker to get it on/off ramps etc

[mandon75]

I read on our American equivalent site that you have to disconnect the Battery too as the brakes are electrically controlled. I'll have to do some research and ensure the garage I choose can guarantee they know what they're doing.

thanks for the info, certainly food for thought :-)

[PCM]

I got quotes from an independent and Lexus for brakes, specifying Lexus parts.

There was only about £30 in it ...

[Wass]

10 hours ago, Zotto said:

Uhm , I have a hybrid and the difference is only that brakes last longer, any mechanic can change pads, they are like other cars, and all repairing are of course made with engine off...

"Uhm" the poster is talking about a CT200. The CT 200 makes a little whirring noise as you approach the car and unlock it. It makes the same noise as you just walk up to the unlocked car and open the door.This is the brake servo activating itself.This is the mistake which people make which results in high reset/ recovery costs. Before working on the brakes this system has to be disabled. Switching the engine off has little to do with it. Because the brake servo it designed to work with or without the engine running, it really makes no difference at all whether the engine is running as to whether the servo will work.

 Some other hybrids do not have this system but CT200 and Prius models do.

The message is still the same. Make sure that the people who are working on your car know what they are doing with  CT200 models. Having worked on another type of car braking system does not automatically mean that they know what they are doing with the CT200 system.

There is an article on youtube  from america which details one of the solutions to this issue , however, I believe that Lexus have another technique which involves plugging the car into an expensive piece of equipment in their workshop.

[200h]

if you work on the braking system as you would in a non hybrid car you run the risk of your piston poping out

since the brakes on your car have to work with the engine not running,if you do try replacing the brakes

make sure you

keep your keys as far from your car as possible

remove the relays & fuse for the abs pump

when pushing the caliper piston back, only push it back as far as you need ,as you cant pump the brake pedal

to push the pads back to the disc

once the ignition is on you may get a mil light on and you will need some diagnostic equipment to reset the fault

this may have to be done a few times to get the pistons back in contact with the pads

[Capitalmagpie]

After reading the above, when the brakes are due I think I will give the job to Lexus.

 

 

 

[mandon75]

8 hours ago, Capitalmagpie said:

After reading the above, when the brakes are due I think I will give the job to Lexus.

 

 

 

I agree, it's not worth the risk of an independent messing it up 😣

[Zotto]

I gave a look to pads changing procedure and it's necessary to disconnect 12V Battery and leave the driver door open , to avoid electric pump intervention to keep pressure in circuit.    Little more complicate than usual pads change.